The excuses are hilarious

Yup. Credit to Conor. He provided no excuses, while his fans have 10,000 of them.

Conor's only complaint was that he felt the fight was stopped too early, which IMO, was just to save face. He didn't complain one bit at the moment Byrd stepped in. In fact he looked relieved that he got saved.

 

Yep, can't argue with that. I suppose regardless of how much money you're getting it's hard to muster hunger and ferocity that just isn't there.

 

I was a huge Pacquiao fan from the beginning but I'd stopped watching his fights by the time the Mayweather bout rolled around, he just wasn't the same fighter anymore. I was hoping he could turn back the clock for one last great performance but it wasn't to be.

 

How much?

The betting stats were astonishing - for every 1 bet on Floyd there were 25 bets on Conor. It really goes to show how utterly retarded most MMA fans are.

 

yeah, some of these causual mma fans are really losers and thinks that boxing is a sport for woman. oh OBF punch won't hurt McGregor since he's used to take kicks to the face (nonwhistanding that most KO in MMA come via punches). They don't realise that boxing is much more brutal than MMA.

Kind of faggots that did 2 months of grappling or MT and think they could beat any boxer in the workd cause they couldnt deal with low kicks or subs (which they barely know how to use)

 

Yea ive heard some pretty lame excuses from the mma fans. Its actually quite amusing.

 

Agree / Disagree.
Being hit constantly around the head/face and being knocked-out with 8-10oz gloves is safer than being choked-out for sure.
But taking a shin to the head will put most people out.

Overall, the amount of neural damage suffered in boxing is worse...

 

Okay my bad, I got that wrong: being choked-out in Brasilian Jiu-Jitsu is safer than being knocked-out in Boxing.
The brain doesn't suffer the physical impact caused by a punch...and, in Jiu-Jitsu you have the option to tap...or die.

I'd say Muay-Thai on its own is pretty brutal in terms of damage inflicted but again a large % of damage is to the torso and legs...but there's little or no defense in Muay-Thai which evens up the brutal-punishment factor when comparing to Boxing...

 

yeah MT is a brutal brutal martial art. When I was training in MMA, we were doign sessions of leg kicking each other. Pure agony

 

Agreed. I expected Floyd to win easily but was worried he would have done so in an ugly, pot shoting way without hurting McGregor too much. He went for the kill in the later rounds and I feel boxing needed that to stay relevant in the short term. Put an emphasis on the difference between MMA and boxing when arguably the best boxer in the UFC, in his prime, gets koed by an inactive 40 y.o. (when was the last time a fighter over 40 knocked an elite fighter ?), 20 lbs lighter who hasn't scored a legit ko/kd since Hatton/dwarfed JMM (I don't count the Ortiz "cheapshot" especially since I belive Victor quit or was fishing for a dq more than anything). Hell, when was the last time he hurt someone ???

Hopefully, this will help the sport of boxing gets the respect it deserves from the casuals. Still, let's not go overboard with the praise to Floyd. The reason he fought this way was mainly because he knew McGregor posed very few risks. The fight was a sham as soon as it was signed.

 

We had this discussion before and I don't think it's nearly as hard as you make it out to be. Shitty boxers like old Botha and Virgil Kalokada beat/were competitive with wold class Muay Thai fighters in K-1.

 

the thing also is that in MT they fight with pillow gloves, so the punchers is at a disavantage. Leg kicks are much less useful in a MMA fight, cause you risk getting leveled by a right hand doing so (they still have their utility though)

 

Please tell me you are kidding! Botha's record in K-1 is 4-13!

 

Beat Aerts (yes I know it was an injury) and Lebanner, deserved to win (at the very least a draw) vs Bojanksy imo, that's 3 K-1 legends right here. He also beat Kaoklai Kaennorsing, who's a quality MT fighter even though he's not really an heavyweight.

He did ok against another legend in Sefo. In all of the fights I've seen him in, he was never bothered by leg kicks and the judges were really hard on him. Wouldn't be surprised if a couple of his losses I haven't seen were roberies.

 

Muay-Thai fighter vs baseball bat:

 

Just like an MMA fan would be ignorant to assume that you can develop elite boxing skill in only a year, it'd be equally ignorant for a boxing fan to assume that you can develop elite kicking technique and grappling ability in just a year. I'm not a boxing fan who pretends that they could. Which is exactly what I said top fighters in both sports should just stay in their element.

 

what if a MMA guy went to kick, but the boxer shattered his knee with a punch?

 

The thing is that in MMA, you don't need to be elite in anything to be succesfull. You only have to be decent in a lot of things

 

IIRC, Bojanski was the current K1 grand prix winner at the time of the Botha fights. Botha arguably beating him is a hell of an achievement

 

I do think that the talent level of an elite boxer is higher than that of an MMA elite.

 

And I'm not saying this to denigrate MMA fighters in anyway. I'm not opening the more talented can of worms, but MMA fighters are usually more jack of all trades than true specialist. Sure there is some exceptions (Jacare, Maia, Askren), but they are the exception rather than the norm.

Again, this is not necessarly a negative considering the nature of the sport.

 

Who are the best strikers?

 

in MMA?

 

Yeah, in MMA in general.

Also, is there anything that sets guys in the UFC apart from other MMA guys in terms of skill/talent?

 

Rumble could punch....Miocic can punch...Woodley...

 

nah, UFC is a MMA organisation. The biggest one so they kind of have the best talent, but it's not always the case.

Among the best strikers i'd say you have

Cody Garbrant
Dominik Cruz
McGregor obviously
Jon Jones
Daniel cormier
alex Gustaffson
Moussasi
Overeem
Miocic



I'm probably missing a few here and there. None of these guys are really elite strikers, bar Overeem, who won a K1 grand prix title, but he was juiced to the max (and he has the chin of an accountant).