Gennady Golovkin vs. Canelo Álvarez: Sept 16 2017 - Official thread

Nah. Floyd was clearly outlanding Oscar in most of the rounds, just like Gennady was outlanding Alvarez in 10 of 12 rounds.

Also, Oscar had success with the jab early, then just sort of abandoned it and plodded after Floyd not doing much. Completely different fights.

 

It was a very obvious win for pacquaio

 

Before you start with that 10-2 score.. try challenging a round or 2 of my draw rbr. I analyzed this shit out of each round.

 

I'd like to know how my scoring of this fight was inconsistent with how I've scored fights in the past

 

Fights are scored in the moment

 

Same. I tend to favour the guy landing more punches, as any sane person should, and if the punchcount is basically the same - I'll always favour the guy who is actually trying to fight, and is the boss in the ring. That was Golovkin on all counts.

 

In round 1 of Canelo GGG, as an example, Canelo clearly outlanded GGG....GGG was just three times as busy. So why didn't you score that round for Canelo then? GGG was hitting gloves and air all through the round.

Someone please post that round here...so all of us can look at it together

 

I prefer number of landed punches too....but if number of landed punches is similar then QUALITY of landed punches trumps it

 

Golovkin clearly outlanded Canelo in round 1. You know you count jabs right?

 

Yes...and teh jabs were hitting gloves.

 

How many GGG jabs hit canelo's head (or body)? Be honest. I didn';t see even ONE land in the first minute for one thing

 

Yes, and the pro judges are trained in this. Thats why often on closer view we find they were right in the moment and HBO wasnt.

If you want to dispute it tell me which round and why

Pac brad 1 score


Rnd 1

Brad controls first 2:40, lands some OK shots throughout. Pac lands 2 NICE shots late. Crew goes apeshit, saying Pac stole the round. Start of 2nd Max starts to backtrack that statement... He's thinking maybe those 2 blows didn't really exceed the accumulation from the rest of the round...?

Judges 2-1 in Pac favor.

IMO PAC round, barely

10-9 pac


Rnd 2

Several flurries throughout rnd. Most Pac leads, lands, maybe glancing but lands, then Bradleys counters with combo, lands a couple more. Mostly even but accounting for Bradleys hold/hit tactic he DID land a bunch of shots there and gives him the edge.

Judges 2-1 in Bradley favor

IMO Bradley round, close but clear

19-19


Rnd 3

Pac lands several good shots. Bradleys counters are pretty ineffective.

Judges 3-0 in Pac favor

IMO pac round, EASY

29-28 pac


Rnd 4

Bradley comes out aggressive. Leading almost every exchange. Despite what the crew says, Bradley is moving Pacs head with his shots.Pac flurries hard in the last minute. Looks like he might have hurt Bradley with the 1 shot that lands... But Bradley keeps moving good, and finishes off the round with 2 hard shots on Pac. Post round indicates that Bradley twisted his ankle...confirmed later in fight. IE not hurt at all.

Judges 3-0 in Pac favor

IMO- this could go either way, honestly, I'll go Pac though to avoid outrage.

39-37 pac


Rnd 5

Crew (Max) starts a monologue about how Bradley is getting destroyed and should quit. Wtf fight is he watching?!? Pac take first 2 mins off pretty much. Bradley controls. Last minute Pac again flurries... Lands some stuff, a bit more than Bradleys counters... But not THAT much.. Postround Pacmans mouth is bloodied up good.

Judges 2-1 bradley. Pacs vacationing is starting to wear on them...

IMO- Bradley round. Too much control

48-47 pac


Rnd 6

Slow round. The crew takes note of pacs 2 minutes off 1 minute on routine. Bradley kinda winning... Pacs last minute flurry comes on like clockwork. Bradley dodges most shots, but a few land somewhat. Is that how you win rounds??

Judges 3-0 Pac

IMO Pac round. Bradleys early control wasnt too effective

58-56 pac


Rnd 7

Normal boxing first half of round. Exchanges start halfway... bradley is looking good. Crowd goes a little quiet after a HARD bradley shot. The crew doesnt even notice without the crowd cueing them. Bradley won the exchanges, no question. Pacs mouth and tongue is getting shredded. Clear concern in pac corner.bradley corner feeling good.

Judges 3-0 bradley

IMO bradley round. These judges know whats up! Lederman is a fool. Compubox on crack.

67-66 pac


Rnd 8

Commentary opening this round clearly will influence viewers, cant say much more than that on it. Sporadic back and forth in this round. Pac got the slight edge, but is definitely hitting air alot more than tim. Jinky choking up at ringside.

Judges 2-1 bradley.

IMO this is even.

77-76 pac


Rnd 9

Pacman outboxed and outlanded bradley for most of the round, first 2 minutes or so. Bradley did snap pacs head several times though.

Judges 2-1 pacman

IMO pac round, judges are on point.

87-85 pacman


Rnd 10

Pacman taking whole round off. Bradley slugged him pretty good throughout. Even the crew admits bradley took this one, pac landed nothing.

Judges 3-0 bradley

IMO bradley EASY

96-95 pac


Rnd 11

Back and forth flurries through round. Both guys hit equal parts opponent and equal parts air.

Judges 2-1 bradley

IMO even

106-105 pacman


Rnd 12

Bradley brings offence. Pac lands some shots but Bradley lands more.

Judges 3-0 bradley

IMO bradley round

115-115 even fight


Pac looks a bit more beat up than Bradley.

Judges award SD Win to Bradley. Cant argue too much. I could see one of my even rounds going to Bradley, so I'm not complaining either way.

 

Half of them, yeah, the other half landed.

 

Also Canelo has been given no credit for any of his body shots landed in this fight.

 

Gtfoh with that shit ... you're just doing your usual contrarian routine... the judges are specially trained yet one of them scores the fight 10-2 Alvarez while another has it 7-5 Golovkin

Never mind that HBO's scorer is one of these specially trained judges himself

 

Lederman is senile at best.

 

I'll rewatch the fight sometime this week and score it, but from my recollection I had Canelo winning rounds 2,3,10,11.

Meaning, 8-4 Golovkin... clear as day win.

 

Close fight. Draw is a just result. Everyone get over it and move on.

I will say though....that I'd expect GGG to win a rematch...if that makes anyone happy.

 

1st round seems to be a pretty clear win for GGG

Imo the draw wasn't a fair result, but is was a close enough fight that a draw isn,t outrageous

 

That's fair. But to deny that there were other rounds that could have been scored for Cnaleo is where I have a problem with those calling it a robbery. The 12th could easily have been scored for Canelo as well as well as the first and the 6th. I have no problem with anyone scoring the fight for GGG...I just have the problem with a notion of robbery...because robbery suggests a Whitaker-Chavez type of deal...which is wasn't.

 

So which of the two judges with wildly divergent interpretations of the same bout is senile? what does that say of your insistence that judges have some sort of special insight?

 

I know compubox is not the be all and end all, but it's hard to ignore when they have someone outlanding their opponent in 10 of 12 rounds. Which I didn't realise before, but does actually tally with my score of 10-2 Pacquiao. Manny's punches are so fast and sneaky, that some of them are actually easy to miss. He tends to land from weird positions, looking off balance and out of position, in the kind of situation where you wouldn't expect anyone to land. Perhaps why he's been jobbed so many times in his career.

 

But Bradley hits so much harder! Oh wait... never mind, there's no justification for a Bradley win

 

How is a draw a just result, when over 90% of websites/magazines think Golovkin won? Plus the pro Canelo crowd were booing him heavily after the fight.

Probably about 1% of fans and scribes think Canelo won, which means a draw isn't just at all, but a blatant robbery.

 

It was no blatant robbery.

 

I have to admit those compubox #'s are quite obnoxiously in Pacs favor. Nonetheless I feel I will still have to wait for someone to dispute the scorecard while actually watching the fight......

 

I would say Byrd, it was no 10-2 fight. The close card and the 114 cards came from sound judgement.

 

how can you say he does? based on the Cotto fight?

 

As far as draws go, was it as bad as Whitaker-Chavez or Holy-Lewis 1? No.

But given Byrd's scorecard, the fix was definitely in to favor Canelo. It's time you be objective and simply admit this.

Golovkin won the goddamn fight. You have to give Canelo EVERY benefit of the doubt to get to a draw, which always means the other guy won.

 

I rebember most saying that GGG against Jack was a waste of time. I'm pretty sure Jack would have won that fight, unless his chin failed him

 

We're all just dupes who either completely believe everything HBO said or believe the exact opposite depending on D Man's scorecard