Felix Trinidad vs Jake Lamotta

With all due respect, you're not exactly the parangon of objectivity when it comes to Tito. If I remember correctly, you've been trashing him since the seconds out days. His punches looked the same against Cherifi and Mayorga and he looked like absolute trash overall against Wright and Jones.

 

You're right, but that's neither here nor there. I'm not a bullshitter and I call things as I see them. If I thought the claims were baseless I'd laugh at them like you guys are, but I noticed the exact same things Double has pointed out.

 

And btw, long before he got busted, I actually described his left hook on SecondsOut as "swinging round as if he was holding an anvil". His shots always looked strangely weighty compared to other boxers.

Unless he has naturally huge heavy bones in his hands, then it was definitely papa's magic wraps.

 

Sorry but there is absolutely no evidence to support the frankly ludicrous notion that Trinidad's gloves were "artificially heavy" ... how heavy? How much weight?

You've got nothing

 

No evidence? Well, it's not just the eye test - you know he was busted for having illegal wraps right? They were like double or triple wrapped and apparantly felt like cement. It's hardly a ludicrous notion he'd been doing that his whole career.

 

Agree.

 

"nothing."

 

NAAZIM RICHARDSON RESPONDS TO JOPPY'S COMMENTS ON TRINIDAD'S WRAPS: "IT AIN'T LIKE THE MARGARITO THING" || FIGHTHYPE.COM

Not that this should have to be revisited on this forum, but apparently a few still don't know.

 

Damage control

 

I'm well aware of that. I just think they were getting away with wrapping Tito's hands as dense and heavy as possible, to increase the impact of his shots, but obviously not literally inserting pieces of concrete like Plasterito.

 

Always found this weird because on fight night, they made a big deal of it. But after hopkins beat him, it was all cool.

 

I agree it was weird. On fightnight it was all "OMGZ he's been busted with illegal wraps, cheating bastad!" and after they're all "Nah it was fine, didn't really do anything wrong afterall".

 

It's called gamesmanship

I do find it amusing that double L claims he can just tell Trinidad's gloves were artificially heavy (yet fails to explain how simply wrapping one's hands differently without actually adding any additional material would make them heavier... quite a magic trick that) yet one of his favorites for years was Margarito who was busted for actual doctoring of hand wraps... somehow he was unable to "see" it prior

You've got jack shit ... No wonder you are so gullible

 

More likely they wanted to give Hopkins as much credit as possible for the win, and not act like he beat some scrub without his magic wraps.

I'd also say getting caught with illegal wraps that were bigger and heavier than they were supposed to be is more than "jack shit"

 

Trinidad was also a favorite of mine. Don't really see your point.

 

What are you talking about heavier? That didn't happen

 

My point is that you couldn't "see" anything ... you're full of shit

 

Here's a good one where Doub gets trounced by Anthony on this very topic

Trinidad vs. De La Hoya

 

They had to be heavier, they had too much tape and gauze. It was simply a bigger wrap than was legal, so of course it was heavier - more material, extra weight.

 

Only illegal in NY nowhere else he fought

So unless you're willing to say that you and doub know more about hand wraps than the dozens of opposition cornermen prior to the Hopkins fight who watched Trinidad get his hands wrapped who saw nothing wrong at all, you've got nothing

Did you read the thread section I linked to? No professional boxing men agree with either of you

 

The fact he wasn't called out on say, pushing the boundaries of handwraps, doesn't tell me anything.

Do you really believe Plasterito loaded his gloves with fucking concrete for the first time at that stage of his career, against a guy he was supposed to beat? And if not, then you'd have to acknowledge that they somehow slipped past the net probably many times previously.

 

Margarito's poor preparation for the fight was fairly common knowledge... so it's not crazy to imagine it may have been desperation on the part of his corner

That's a guy putting what amounts to a plaster cast over his knuckles... a clear cut dangerous rule violation

No such thing was occurring in the Trinidad case... the issue was rather the amount of gauze and tape used which apparently exceeded NYSAC requirements... the same system of wraps was hunky dory pretty much everywhere else ... are there any state commissions that allow for what Margarito did? Of course not

Obviously the manner in which Trinidad's hands were wrapped had never been at issue before with any other opposing trainers... if this method of wrapping made any of the magical differences that you and doub are implying, surely others would emulate it in places it is allowed or if it was so dangerous as to magically be responsible for a career loaded with explosive knockouts, it would've been outlawed everywhere the way plaster casts are

You wanna know why Trinidad couldn't do to Hopkins what he did to Joppy? Because Hopkins is a lot better than Joppy and didn't stand in front of him with his hands down like a moron

 

Disagree. Prehopkins, there was something unnatural about the way tito hit. Post-hopkins, no longer.

 

Only one way to settle this - Double must stand and take a flush Trinidad hook to the jaw. Of course, he can overlook Tito's hands being wrapped... it's only fair.

If he's not unconscious after Tito lands, then we all owe Doub an apologize... Tito's wraps were indeed loaded.

 

This is like trying to explain to a Mormon that Joseph Smith was obviously full of shit

 

Hard for me to believe than an extra layer or two of gauze would have that much difference. If anything, you wouldn't be as likely to punch as hard.

Now if what was in the wraps were the plaster of Paris ingredients consistent with cast wrapping for broken bones, there would be an argument.

 

If you were not such a dick, debates would not be so painful for you. You have a general intolerance that makes you very uncomfortable when others have a different opinion than you.

 

There have been many fighters through history that have displayed the same kind of power as Tito, some even more powerful. Many of these fighters have seen their KO ratio drop as their speed, accuracy and timing were diminishing because they were getting older or simply less active. There's nothing mysterious about Tito. He displayed the same kind of power against defensively challenged fighters like Cherifi and Mayorga and couldn't lay an effective punch on Wright and Jones.

That loaded glove story is bullshit. Your 'proof' is even more ridiculous. There was nothing unusual about Tito's punches before Hopkins, or during the Hopkins fight. People were lauding his punching technique and accuracy when he was in his prime. He wasn't an effortless puncher like Foreman, he was simply a very good puncher with great timing and accuracy. Tito wasn't something that boxing hadn't seen before.

 

I have to tell you you should look yourself in the mirror. When you're not making cryptic snide remarks, you're presenting your own very subjective perspective as if it was a fact only the willingly blind can't see.

Example :

I understand why Cdogg gets frustrated at you although I admit he can be very abrasive.

 

If you could be relied on to critically assess information provided to you instead of closing your eyes and covering your eyes while yelling, you'd probably put up better arguments