Júlio César Chávez v Floyd Mayweather Jr

Absolute primes, any weights from 130-147lb

 

PBF i think. chavez is a bit too methodical

 

IMO...to beat Floyd you have to be BOTH taller and faster than him at the very least.

 

I think you're looking a very close fight either way at 130-135.

140, I think Floyd wins close, but clear.

147 isn't worth discussing. Chavez never did shit at welter.

 

Based trouble castillo gave pbf (whether you thought he won or not) you have to give chavez a chance either at 130 or 135.

 

Toss up 130-135 and I could see them splitting fights.

I like Floyd at 140 and 147 via UD. Would be competitive, though.

 

If Floyd is fighting Chavez with one good arm as well, sure.

 

Bad arm or not, Castillo fought a very good fight and his plan was perfect.

I still think he won that fight. Close, but deserved.

 

Plus, the second fight was competitive as well.

 

It was. Watching it again, it was a little closer than I had initially thought it was years ago. But it was a tedious affair, I must say.

Floyd went ultra defensive and didn't even attempt anything risky.

 

It was, this is true.

 

Historically I think Chavez is highly overrated. Guy gets talked about as Duran's equal, but the truth is he was not even close to being the highly skilled, versatile pressure machine that Duran was.

However he would give Floyd a close fight I think purely down to styles. Good pressure fighters have always troubled Floyd, or actually even average ones like Jesus Chavez and that Carlos guy.

He wouldn't win though. He was better than Castillo, but Castillo was taller, with longer reach, and a very good jab.

 

I honestly think Pacquiao is more overrated than Chavez was.

Manny is the one I saw in the press and amongst his fans being elevated to Duran level.

 

The thing is, Pacquiao is a much better fighter than Chavez and would have beaten the shit out of him.

 

"That Carlos guy."

 

Agreed. In the judges hands every time. Probably 115-113 type scores. Judges in italics because I mean both the official ones and the media/public.

 

And yet he couldn't beat the shit outta Marquez who is a far inferior fighter to Chavez.

 

What...was Duran some type of God now?

 

No, but he was better than Floyd.

Regardless he's irrelevant to this thread.

 

I don't consider him inferior to Chavez at all. Marquez is an amazing fighter, one of the best Mexicans of all time.

Chavez couldn't beat the shit out of Randall, who is a far inferior fighter to Pacquiao.

Marquez beat Pacquiao, who is far, far better than anyone Chavez beat. He not only beat him, but did it in his late 30's. In his early 30's, Chavez was losing to Randall and getting slapped about by Oscar.

 

Nothing about this is untrue but it is completely devoid of context.

 

I wouldn't pick Marquez over any elite lightweights. NONE... Hell, his best form was easily at 126. He'd simply be TOO SMALL for Chavez.

Marquez would get a similar beating that Rosario got, especially considering that his punches would have zero affect on the big man.

As for Chavez-Randall, come on now. You know damn well Chavez was way past his best at that point. And let's not pretend that Marquez would do anything but get slapped around worse by a young Oscar than did Chavez, who shouldn't have been fighting anymore by that time.

Age is relative. Some fighters peak early (Tyson, Benitez) and some peak later on (Lewis, Hopkins). Age has fuck all to do with it.

 

Puerto Rock is correct

 

Why? Because Pacquiao struggled with Marquez who is considered inferior to Chavez? Ali struggled with Norton who is considered inferior to Foreman. Shits happen meng...

 

There is some truth to that, but nevertheless I bestow great credit to fighters who are able to be elite fighters well into their 30's.

And let's forget age then - Marquez beat a better fighter, a much better fighter, than Chavez ever beat. That's a fact. To act like Chavez is this wildly superior fighter is absurd.

And Chavez was way past his best against Randall? You gotta be kidding me? It was less than a year after he beat the shit out of Haugen, and fought Whitaker. He was still prime, maybe the tail end of his prime, but he was not even close to being shot or "way past his best".

I also don't think Chavez is bigger than Marquez at all. Marquez was a big featherweight, looked bigger than almost everyone he fought there. 5'7 with a solid build, and beefy arms and shoulders. Chavez looked like a dwarf even at 140. Marquez somehow didn't look that undersized at 140 and 147.

He also carried his power all the way up to welterweight, he hit harder than Chavez, and was a better boxer.

 

I respect you, Mex. But I gotta tune you out if you don't consider Chavez better than Marquez. That's insane talk.

No, Chavez wasn't as good as Duran, but only a casual or a delusional Mexican fan would say something like that.

Chavez is rated correctly.... as a top 20 ATG.

Gay ass Marquez is nowhere near the top 20.

 

I bet Mex's fantasy is to wake up in a room with Tszyu, Trinidad, Hamed, and Chavez, and have four bullets.

Jesus Christ he hates those four guys.

 

Faggot Marquez wasn't a better boxer than Chavez. You can BOX while applying pressure. Chavez was actually MUCH MUCH better defensively than Marquez.

 

Chavez is a better fighter than Marquez no doubt. But Marquez having success against Pacquiao doesn't automatically mean Chavez beats Pacquiao. I happen to think that Pacquiao finishes off meldrick Taylor earlier than Chavez did, for example.

 

Tyson handled Bruno easier than Lennox did but Lennox handled ruddock easier than Tyson did