I'd pick the five Pacquiaos over five De La Hoyas. The 135 lbs De La Hoya would probably KO one on the Pacs though and the 154 Oscar would be the last one standing
Good MM. One of the better ones. I'm going back and forth. The right hands seems to be more of a weapon against Pacquiao than the left hook so that would suggest that he'd merely outwork Oscar at every weight. But then again Oscar had a killer jab and great hand speed himself...and his jab could nullify Pacquiao's aggression.
Oscar. The height and reach, jab, and believe it or not, his left hook would work wonders over Manny's right hook. And even over Manny's straight left, mainly due to the difference in height and Manny's tendency to drop his right hand while throwing the left. Manny could dance around him early with his hand and foot speed but he doesn't possess great defensive skills. He's always been there to be hit. Even at his best. The best version of Oscar at all of those weights beats the shit out of Manny and stops him every time mid to late rounds.
At the lower weights like 130 and 135 I like Manny's chances... Oscar was certainly dangerous at those weights but he was also green whereas Pacquaio was arguably at or near his peak 140 is the point where I start to favor Hoya Forget their actual fight ... Hoya was an absolute corpse
I know we need to here, but it is difficult for me to discount entirely the absolute beating pacquiao administered when these two actually fought. Just seems like pacquiao's footwork would always have been a major issue for odh. Odh would have to be quick on the counter to really change things around. I think below 147 he does much better.
There was Literally NATHAN to Glean from their Actual Fight, Which is What Spawned this Thread... That Version Bore NOfuckingRESEMBLANCE to the Guy Who Fought Whittaker, Quartey, Carr, Coley, Trinidad or Mosley I... REED
Pac's biggest weakness is a straight right, a punch Oscar doesn't have so I expect a David Haye scorecard with a minimum seven rounds level
Oscar was nearly as far removed from his prime as Ali was when he fought Holmes. Nothing about Oscar's fight with Manny predicts what would have happened between them.
Reminds me of Lewis fans who think what Lummox did to Tyson in 02 is indicative of what he'd do to the 80s Tyson.
Agreed. Sure dlh was a bit past it, but he got worked over so badly, that i think it showed pac would always be a nightmare for him
Plus all this talk about Oscar being a "walking corpse" was only said after the fact. Before the fight not only was Oscar expected to win...he was expected to mismatch Pacquiao. No talk of walking corpse then. So truthfully, we must concede that Pacquiao would at the very least have given De La Hoya problems at any stage of his career.
I think Sly means that this version of Pac is far better than the corpse that Floyd beat and prime for prime Pac is far superior to him, as their fights against Oscar prove
De La Hoya Ko's Pacquiao throughout all the those divisions......at 130 Pac will have his best shot...
I think most people were saying Oscar was pretty close to being shot if not all the way after his fight against Stevie People were mainly picking Oscar to win due to the fact that nobody had ever seen Manny at 147. Doesn't take away that Oscar was basically a dead man walking in that ring. I refuse to believe that Manny does that to a 97-2000 Oscar.
Freddie Roach Completely Altered the Original Game Plan when he Noticed Blood Trickling Down DeLa's Arm, During the Refs Final Instructions... Roach Said @ that Moment he KNEW DeLa had Just Used an I.V., was WEAK, and Accordingly, he Encouraged Manny to JUMP On him from the Outset... DeLa HADN'T Fought @ Welter in OVER Half a Decade, Bruh... REED
DLH fight against Forbes was at 150 IIRC, and it was a few months before. So I'm not sure the weight cut affected him that much (thought it might, sometimes a few pounds is a big deal). Also, for the ridiculous comparaison between this DLH and the Ali of the Holmes fight, let's rebember that barely a year and a half ago, DLH gave PBF a pretty close fight, and completely dominated a competent fighter in Forbes a few months before (while Ali decisively lost to the same caliber of fighter in Berbick, a few months after the Holmes fight). It was obvious DLH wasn't in his prime (personally, I stopped rating him as a serious fighter after the Bhop fight), but I think he was still competent, and the way Pac just blitzed through him with his movement and superior handspeed (which is something DLH rarely had to deal with) make me thinks he'd always be a problematic matchup for DLH
Fair enough. Holmes was still a huge favourite though but Oscar was a prohibitive favourite against Pacquiao. Nevertheless, i concede the point to a degree. What I'm responding to though is the convenient tactic fight fans use when a certain fighter loses to another...like Curry vs Honeyghan for example.
Holmes wasn't a huge favorite over Ali And Forbes was merely a competent small fighter in his prime at 130, at 150 he was an old midget and Hoya looked like absolute garbage in that fight
Honeyghan's issues with weight, management and training interruptions are established fact... he had nothing in that fight... what it has to do with this MM is anybody's guess
Yep... Curry Hired Mike Trainer to ADVISE Him as he Had Sugar Ray Leonard... And Despite Curry's Struggles to Make '47 (for at Least a COUPLE Fights) and a Potential Bout w/Marvin Hagler in the Not-So Distant Future, Curry was "Advised" to Remain at Welter a Tad Looooonger... Very Next Fight was Honeyghan...Next Thing You Know, Ray Leonard's Fighting Hagler... To Paraphrase Malcolm X, Curry was "Hoodwinked, Bamboozled, Led Astray, Run Amok" by Trainer and Leonard... REED
Pacquiao at every weight. Just a better fighter, with the handspeed and mobility to tattoo De La Lovesongs at will. No right, average defense, average countering = clear Pacquiao win.
