I’m torn on Wilder vs Ortiz

He's 6'7 Though...

The "Super" Thing Isn't just about Weight, it's HEIGHT...


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yes and no.

Extra weight will makes you punch harder, but agreed that the main facor is size

 

Fair post.
But answer this: howcome Lennox Lewis, who, between 1989-94 weighed in at anywhere between 220-230lb...then bulked-up to 245-255lb after McCall stopped him in the mid-90s, and definately produced more KO power and cemented his legacy as one of the biggest punchers in heavyweight boxing history.

 

I think with Lewis it was a case of improved technique under Steward more than the added weight. If you watch him under Correa his legs were ridiculously far apart and he was sloppy as hell.

 

Lennox did not suddenly become a big puncher. He was always a big puncher. He knocked out ruddock to 2 quick rounds when Tyson couldn’t do it in 19. That was pre Manny Stewart and pre FATNESS. The extra fat didn’t make him punch harder

 

gaining fat and muscle definitively will make you punch harder. My weight fluctuated a lot since my early 20's, and I punch much harder at 230, than I did at 154. It's simple physic and claiming otherwise is ignorant.

the thing is bloating up to a certain weight will not makes you punch as hard as a natural guy at that weight

 

At your natural healthy weight you are at your best in every category. But most importantly, size is correlated with power not fat. If Ernie shavers blew up to 300lbs he’d be much slower and as a result would lose snap and therefore power

 

Again, that's nonsense. HW James Toney was puncher much harder than MW one.

Size is more correlated than fat with power, but fat,to a certain extent, will make you punch harder

 

Agreed. Lennox was definitely raw and unpolished, despite the apparent talent. I think Steward refined him more than anything.

 

I got Wilder in this one...big. I think once Wilder charges across that ring, Ortiz is going to do just like all the other stiffs Wilder has been running through, he’s going to freeze, cover up and go into a defensive shell which will lead to him getting KO’d. Ortiz may eventually throw a few wild panicked punches that will leave him open to counters but for the most part he will get dominated just like the rest of them.

 

215 seems too light for Wilder. Maybe we'll be able to see a difference, maybe not.

Bowe, Akinwande, Lewis...they all started out in the high 220's and all did well there. Still, it seems like the optimal weight for someone 6'6" or 6'7" should be 235-250 based on watching them and others since them. That said, outliers might be better off heavier or lighter. But 215?

 

What if Wilder weighed 241 and Ortiz weighed 215?

 

Wilder’s Obviously Emphasizing SPEED, Given the Low Weight...




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At 215, Ortiz Would Be Tooooooo WEAK to Complete his Ring Walk....






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Watching Wilder and Ortiz Fights this Week Reminded REED of How Excellent Ortiz’s UPPERCUTS Are...

Most Consistently Effective Heavyweight Uppercut Since Prime Riddick Bowe...

If Wilder’s Hurt, Dropped or Even LOSES Tonight, Ortiz’s Upppercut Will Be a Likely Suspect for Why...






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Malignaggi got his chin busted???? Still running his mouth 100mph but sounds a bit off..

 

What? What you say WildeR?

 

Time for Andre Dirrell to consider hanging em up.

I'd LOVE to see Uzcategui vs Benavidez.

 

Uzcategui or whatever his name is is tough and with good stamina

 

War Ortiz!! I love Wilder (no homo) but Ortiz is the better fighter and deserves to win

 

who's that guy with the re cap. He looks facially like AJ, but he's much too small

 

Ortiz has a cute family

 

What's the deal with Ortiz. He's been in the states for a million years and still deosn't speak english

 

Only way Ortiz loses is if Father Time has caught up with him, IMO.

 

Jimmy Lennon Jr looks exactly like his father these days

 

No he doesn't....

 

Really Wilder...Kim? lo...l

 

Jeez Lil Kim’s face is fucked.

 

She looks like an alien

 

After all the intro’s and possible numerous anthems and what not, I’ll be in here gloating in a matter of minutes.