Lomachenko vs Garcia, What transpires?

Forget this Linares fight. It's history. What happens in a Garcia fight?

I have Garcia. Tough fight but I think Garcia takes him.

 

I still go with Loma.

 

Unlike Most, REED Always Saw Loma vs Mikey as a 50-50 Fight. Tonight Certainly DOESN'T Alter That, and Probably Swings the Pendulum Mikey’s Way, if Anything.

Mikey Lacks Linares’ SIZE, But He’s a Superior Fighter in EVERY Other Regard. Leading, Countering, Jabbing, Punching with Power, etc.

Would Be QUITE Interesting to See What Happens if Mikey Lands that Same Right Hand On Lomachenko.








REED

 

I would pick Loma to win based on being more skilled.

 

Lomachenko’s More ATHLETIC Than Mikey, More DYNAMIC, But REED Can’t Say He Sees an Appreciable Gap btwn Them in Terms of Skill Level.










REED

 

I'd be lying if I said my thoughts on this match up haven't swayed.

I'd give Mikey the edge.

 

I lean towards Mikey. I think he has the right combination of skill and power to pull it off.

 

I’ve always favored Garcia. He has the style and attributes to time Loma and land clean.

 

I never quite understood the thinking of Loma having an easy time with Mikey. That’s just insanity.

 

Lomachenko never would have an easy time with Garcia. Garcia is way to good for that. Having said that I still like Lomachenko’s speed in that matchup but Mikey is live.

 

Lomachenko by clear decision.

 

Agreed. Garcia seems like a guy nobody would have easy time with. I have always thought it is near 50:50 bout and I still think so.

Also, even though the step from super-feather to lightweight is merely five pounds, it seems to be bit tricky. Loma struggled as did Floyd, even though thinking beforehand their opponents weren't the best they had fought

 

Very close fight imo. I think Loma wins a close decision. Mikey has his moments though.

 

Yeah good point. I always think Floyd and Pacquiao had an easy ride to the higher weights and smooth transition but that’s not true at all - I actually think Castillo beat Floyd, imo that’s Floyd’s 1 loss.

Lomachenko struggled but he did not lose, he won by KO.

I was surprised at the size difference, not just looks but Linares just seemed bigger and stronger in there. He started at 126 too don’t forget. I think he is bigger than Mikey, Mikey has a tiny fw frame like Lomachenko.

 

I dont think there was a size difference between loma and linares. I think mikey is skillfull and fast enough to time loma sidesteps

 

There was a significant size difference, more than I expected given Linares started at 126 too. Linares was only an inch taller, but had a larger frame, and was naturally just the bigger guy all round. Bigger and stronger.

Lomachenko is too fast, too unpredictable, too creative for Garcia. One could argue Garcia's textbook style is the perfect answer to Lomachenko's tricky, speedy, unorthodox southpaw style, but I see it the opposite way - Lomachenko is too fast and tricky and will outscore him throughout the fight.

 

I've said this before on this forum, and recently, but I see Garcia as the Marquez foil to Lomachenko's Pacquiao. Garcia, like THE GREAT Marquez before him isn't spectacular looking but he has solid fundamentals and is the consummate textbook professional who is patient, knows how to figure out the opponent's patterns, knows how to set traps, knows when to counter jab, when to counter hook, when to counter with the right, knows when to attack back, knows when to measure and pace and is always in position regardless of the opponent's mischief.

You may say that Lomachenko is better defensively than Pacquiao, this may be true but I can counter that Pacquiao is better offensively (faster hands and hits harder) so it's a wash. Both men (Loma and Pac) are speedy southpaws with ridiculous workrate and movement that tend to befuddle opponents. Garcia's fundamentals will trump Loma's dynamism.

 

Yeah it's a fair point, there's definitely similarities between the 4 fighters.

The key point in my mind though is other than getting ktfo (hbahb ahb ahbahbaba) I think Pacquiao got the better of Marquez for the best part of 4 fights. He won the first clear as day, edged the next two (though 2 could have gone either way for sure) and was tattooing Marquez in the 4th until literally running right into a perfect counter right.

Your point would be more valid if Marquez dominated Pacquiao, but it's not the case. For me, Pacquiao's dynamism trumped Marquez's fundamentals in most of their fights.

But yeah I agree although Chenko has better defense, Pacquiao was much scarier offensively.

Floyd would be a better comparison, seeing as he's an amazing fundamentally sound boxer, and he did manage to tame and control Pacquiao - but ultimately that's not the best comparison either as Floyd is far more dynamic and mobile than Garcia, rangier, and also Chenko is far more prime than Pacquiao.

 

Another interesting thing about Marquez is even though he was a very well schooled boxer, sharpshooter, and great counterpuncher - he was not afraid to throw down. Not afraid to let the combos fly, and punch with an offensive beast like Pacquiao.

Mikey is more disciplined than Marquez. I see him being a bit too patient and disciplined against Chenko, and other than landing the odd nice counter right, I see Chenko simply outscoring him and outworking him all the way through, with his fast unpredictable offense basically overhwhelming Garcia to a large extent.

 

Accurate but Mikey has never really needed to open up very much. His style has earned him a 38-0 record after all. If it's round 9/10 and Loma has an obvious wide lead i don't think he'll be averse to taking a big risk. (not that i think he'll go into Morales mode either)

 

Yeah I'd agree with that, it's not like he'll take his L laying down, however I think it's his patience and discipline that will allow Loma to build that wide lead in the first place.

 

Probably, along with the hand speed advantage. Could turn into one of those fights that are hard to score. Lomachenko landing the better combinations but single power shots from Garcia getting more attention.

 

Quite possibly yeah, I have no doubt Garcia will land some eyecatching counter rights. And tbh I tend to favour the guy who is simply doing more work, unless the other guy is doing serious damage and stunning the more active fighter regularly etc.

It's why I scored all fights for Pacquiao over Marquez, and also Morales over Barrera, and Golovkin WIDE over Canelo etc. I like workrate.

 

No, let;s not forget it, lets dwell on it. Fastest 3 division champ of are times.

 

No.

Floyd would have his work cut out with Lomachenko., Sorry.

 

Might as well put Loma-Garcia in the MM section. Arum basically said it's never gonna happen. God I hope his heart gives out soon.

 

Wtf, why?

 

Networks. Garcia is loyal to Showtime, and Arum has an exclusive deal with ESPN.

But the real reason is that Arum dont wanna give a fighter who left him the opportunity at beating his star fighter.

 

Ah yeah, of course.

 

Floyd would have his work cut out, I agree. Not an easy fight even for Floyd, but Floyd wins. I don't recall mentioning Floyd though.