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REED

 

Hearn is being foolish to not push for the Wilder fight in Vegas. Even in the Spring, he's talking about making the fight at Wembley. It really makes no sense.

It should be in his best interest to make AJ a GLOBAL star, and right now, AJ is only a UK star. Nobody in the US, outside of hardcores, has any fuckin clue who Joshua is.

Vegas is the boxing capital, not just of the US, but of the WORLD. Every.... single.... boxer.... who aspires to be a champion... views fighting in Vegas as the pinnacle. Regardless of what country they're from.

A GLOBAL superfight of this stature belongs at the MGM Grand... not fucking Wembley.

 

Better than Chagaev? Cmon man. That’s a stretch.

 

Yeah, I had that immediately to mind but couldn't remember which bum Hearn got jobbed. That was outrageous - you can actually see Hearn go to the judges at the final bell.

MTF

 

The US has had no real relevance to HW boxing for around 15 years. Mega fights for the HW championship have been filling football stadia in Europe since.

MTF

 

Oh yeah. Great, great fighter...

 

Ortiz > Chagaev for sure

 

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I don't give a shit what's been happening the last 15 years... the heavyweight division remains dead on the WORLD level.

Vegas is the fight capital of the world, not London. If Hearn wants to make AJ a global star, he needs to come to Vegas.

 

Nah, he doesn't. Not really. The HW division has moved on since all that. I hate Hearn with a passion, but as a promoter, it makes no sense to agree to fight someone in front of 20,000 paying punters when they can do so in front of 80,000 paying punters.

MTF

 

You're BOTH Correct in a Sense...

Las Vegas, Nevada, USA IS the Boxing Capital of the World...But Mr. Feebles is Right in that the UK has Carried the MAJOR Heavyweight Title Fights of the Last Couple Decades....

Klitschko-Haye, the Latter Half of Wlad's Career, Wlad-Fury, ALL of Joshua's Career...The Fact is, Joshua's the A-Side Here, so the Bout Should RIGHTFULLY Take Place in the UK...The 1st Bout, @ Least...

Besides That, this is a BAD Time for Joshua to Come to the States...After the Recent Wilder Negotiations, Joshua Might Get the Naseem Hamed (Post-9/11) Treatment from American Audiences...







REED

 

That's the Biggest Difference in U.S. and U.K. Promoters...

UK is All About ATTENDANCE, Whereas US is All About LIVE GATE...

While REED Agrees Joshua vs. Wilder SHOULD Take Place in the UK, the Live Gate Would Undoubtedly be Higher were it in Vegas...







REED

 

Here’s how I see it...

Joshua is the A side and Europe has owned the heavyweight division for a decade and so I have no problem with Hearn insisting on a UK promotion.

However this is no ordinary heavyweight fight we’re talking about....this is the best heavyweight matchup since the proposed Bowe-Lewis fight. As such I would like it to be held in the Mecca of boxing....for only that “hallowed” ground is worthy of it.

 

hearn has that big deal with DAZN so he may have promised that joshua will fight on that app. no big deal to me as the fight doesnt intrigue me nearly as much as about a dozen better matchups. also, how and when did shelly finkel manage to weasel his way into the mix?

 

REED Was Completely Unaware of Finkel’s Involvement with Team Wilder Until His Response on their Behalf to Hearn’s Initial Flat Fee Offer.







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That’s pretty optimistic because you’re assuming a lot of American fans know who he is and strongly feel one way or the other about him.

 

Wembley all the way. Wembley is a deafening colleseum of 90k screaming people, the MGM is 15k apathetic monied fucks plus jay z making hand gestures at a camera. Vegas sucks

 

Deontay Wilder's Drawn Peak Numbers EXCEEDING a Million Viewers (or Close) in Several Fights Now...For @ Least the Last 2 Bouts, Wilder's Referenced Joshua SPECIFICALLY....

These Days, There's a 0% Chance of an American Boxing Fan KNOWING Deontay Wilder Without Knowing the Name “Anthony Joshua”, at the Very Least.






REED

 

Yeah but there’s like a 4% chance of someone in the general public knowing who Wilder is. Lomacenko, Crawford, even Spence are more recognizable names and faces. And as you said the most notable thing about Joshua in the US is that someone else keeps mentioning his name. He’s a vague notion at best.

 

I’m starting to think they’re both scared. Joshua won’t press for the fight, Wilder won’t sign a contract he’s had for a while now.

This is why I AT TIMES hate boxing.

 

If Crawford and Spence are "More Recognizable Names and Faces" Why Does Wilder's Fights Draw BETTER RATINGS Than Their Fights?

Wilder-Ortiz Drew a Peak Audience of 1.2mil
Wilder-Stiverne II Drew a Peak Audience of 887,000

Spence-Peterson Drew a Peak Audience of 695,000
Spence-Ocampo Drew a Peak Audience of 726,000

Crawford-Indongo Drew a Peak Audience of 965,000
Crawford's ESPN+ App Numbers for the Horn Fight Haven't Been Made Public, Which Means They Likely SUCKED...

Lomachenko's White and Bob Arum Actually Puts Forth the Effort to PROMOTE Him, Thus Explaining His Superior Numbers to Wilder's...

3 of Wilder's Last 5 Fights Have Been at Barclay's Center in Brooklyn, NY...Rest Assured More than "4%" of the New York City General Public Would Recognize His 6'7 Ass Walking Around Times Square...

You Speak as if He's a Diaperweight from a 3rd World Country...

Wilder's a KNOWN Commodity and his CLEAR Rival is Anthony Joshua...If Joshua Fought Wilder on Showtime, in the States, They'd Do a Peak American Audience of 2.5mil or Higher, MINIMUM. @ Least 2mil of Those Viewers Would Be Rooting AGAINST Joshua Based on the Actions of His Promoter...




REED

 

The Contract DIDN'T Have a Date or Venue on it Bruh...






REED

 

HW title fights are going to get a mainstream ratings boost but it doesn’t mean they’re all following Wilder.

Yes, Wilder is a popular fighter. But if I were trying to point out to a casual British fan how Joshua isn’t that well known in the US I’d say “People mainly know him from Wilder talking about him and Wilder isn’t a huge star like Joshua in the US.”

 

Which means, legally speaking, they weren't actual contracts.

This will have fooled lots of fools in the UK. But fooling fools doesn't change the fact that Hearn is full of shit.

MTF

 

Hearn is full of shit, no doubt.

But Wilder is not getting no 50-50 against AJ. He KNOWS that and is still making silly demands.

 

At least with Loma-Garcia or Spence-Crawford, we wouldn't have to deal with all this childish bullshit. All four of those guys are no bullshit, confident professionals.

Wilder has the maturity level of a 15-year-old. Eddie Hearn has a bigger ego than most fighters. And AJ has a lower IQ than Forrest Gump.

So we have a man-child, a narcissist, and a retard.

 

If Joshua-Povetkin happens first, the Wilder fight should be at T-Mobile. If Joshua-Wilder happens first, then I don't have a problem with it being at the new Tottenham Hotspur Stadium

 

I'm failing to see what you guy's are seeing.

Joshua is a significant A side. He he sent Wilder a contract for a career high purse for a fight he has demanded. Wilder won't sign and is pointing to stuff like a rematch clause which is pretty standard A side request in boxing.

 

The original contract had the September 15 date. Now the date is April 13 in the UK.

 

No Shit Sherlock!

However, The Contract REED Spoke Of, In the Post You Quoted, was the One Hearn Sent to Team Wilder Roughly 2 Weeks Ago.

No Date, No Venue.

Nonetheless, There Hearn Was BITCHING About it Being “9 Days Since I Sent a Contract. They Obviously Don’t Want the Right.”

Only to Find Out There WAS NOT a Date or Venue Anywhere On the Contract.

That’s a FACT.







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