Fights that were won primarily because of intangibles

Name fights were the winner was inferior on paper in nearly every way but nevertheless found a way to win because of intangible elements that few could have foreseen.

I think the prime example of this is Benn-McClellan.

There is NO WAY, on paper, that Nigel Benn should have won that fight. At the time I remember telling my "mates" that McClellan would win this thing in a round. I didn't even have the shadow of a doubt.

Both were punchers, Benn couldn't box, McClellan had the edge in power, chin, height, reach, age...Benn had even lost power when moved up to 168lb. McClellan was also a better boxer. Stamina was considered a wash and if anything McClellan had the edge one would think.

No freaking way Benn was going to win. No way!

Somehow, Benn's determination (and illegal roughhouse tactics) coupled with McClellan's disregard for defense lead to Gman's demise.

Give me other examples.

 

I wouldn't call "intangibles" landing 2,500 illegal rabbit punches and causing a man's brain to bleed. I'd call that being a dirty sonuvabitch.

 

Oh also the referee saving you from a first round KO by continually pushing your opponent away from you every time he goes to finish you ...

 

I agree with your sentiment...but for me...intangibles refer to factors that you can't quantify pre-fight as a measurable attribute of a fighter.

 

Gene Hatcher vs Johnny Bumphus

Arnold Taylor vs Romeo Anaya

 

Nice I agree also...but still, these were elements that couldn't be predicted pre-fight.

Give me other examples of fights where the winner won because of other elements and not because he was physically superior.

 

I think Leonard-Hearns 1 is a good example. On paper Leonard shouldn't be able to beat Hearns. I guess one can argue that Leonard had better stamina...but Hearns had displayed reasonable stamina against Benitez for one thing. Also Leonard had a better chin. Aside from that though Hearns was his match or superior in every other aspect...arguably even handspeed.

Leonard's determination won him the fight.

 

I'm just saying Benn won because he and the referee cheated and because his opponent likely already had the beginnings of a major cerebral catastrophe

 

Hearns fought Benitez after Leonard and broke his right hand early on which had a lot to do with it going the distance

 

I understand that...wasn't meaning to suggest that the Hearns- Benitez fight came first but that Hearns didn't seem to have a stamina deficiency in that fight...so just referenced it.

 

Obviously Curry was fucked going in but Honeyghan wouldn't have known that straight away ... he still had to take the chance and attack from the outset

 

I'll eat your asshole alive

 

Hatcher-Bumphus is a great example. Hatcher was painfully outclassed in terms of talent and skill, and through sheer determination and some luck, came back to stop Bumphus.

 

"Bump City" is the best nickname ever... sounds like a Funkadelic song or something

 

In boxing history, it's really hard to beat "Second to" as Nunn's nickname.

 

That motherfucker looked like he was part of Kid N Play's crew ... he was fucking corny

 

Rename this thread 'Boxing's Greatest Upsets' ?

 

That's stupid

You're stupid

Fucking die already

 

Ali v Foreman

 

Douglas v Tyson

 

Neither of which really meet the criteria

Intangibles were part of the picture but Ali's victory was also due in no small part to his defensive acuity and his handspeed ... Douglas had an excellent jab and was technically sound

 

No-one gave Ali a chance.
The 'intangibles' were:
• right-hand leads
• staying on the ropes
Neither of which anyone foresaw or predicted.

 

Ali beating Foreman on intangibles is what the legend wants you to believe.

The reality is that Ali beat Foreman on being faster, more skilled, more durable, and have a higher ring IQ.

And Douglas-Tyson, as cliche as it sounds, was more a case of Tyson beating Tyson. The man did not train for Douglas, and before the fight looked like he'd rather back in his hotel room banging Japanese hookers than in the ring.

 

Definately no-one gave Douglas a chance.
The 'intangibles' were:
• constant jab
• staying in the center of the ring
• self-belief?
None of which anyone foresaw or predicted.

 

That's not what intangibles means you fucking twat...

 

All of which...ALL, we discovered after the fights....long time after.

 

I know.
Im going by Sly's definiton as its his thread

 

As we see, above.

 

this is called Strategy, not fucking intangibles, you trolling cunt

 

As we see again, above.