Lewis vs Ali

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  1. puerto rock

    puerto rock WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

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    This is some clash of styles here.

    Ali never met a tall guy that could use his height and reach like Lewis, along with that power. And the same is true of Lewis in that he’s never met a guy with the ability Ali had.

    What would this look like?
     
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    It's been done several times before, and I'll always have the same answer - 60s Ali by clear decision over Lewis. Lummox would of course would be competitive, but he'd be a step behind for most of the night. And 60s Ali COULD hurt Lewis imo, he had the power to do so.

    15 rounder - Ali 10-5

    12 rounder - Ali 8-4
     
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    I think if they had 10 fights it would be 5-5 or 6-4 Lewis.
     
  4. Double L

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    Always favored Lewis
     
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    Too hard to tell. Gun to my head, I would lean toward Ali, but I could see LL completely obliterate Ali.
     
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    If Lewis at his very best couldn't obliterate an aged Holy, how in the living FUCK is gonna obliterate Ali?

    I didn't even say anything Bout those picking Lewis, but obliterate? Lol.
     
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    Which Muhammad Ali?
    1966?
    1970?
    1974?
    1978?
     
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    I could see it. With the way Ali fought (hands down, dancing around), he might be completely destabilized by the size, power and skills of Lemon. I'm not saying it's my prediction (hell I picked Ali), but if someone was to win this match big, it would be LL imo. And old Holy fought nothing like Ali, so it's a ridiculous argument
     
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    If anyone gets stopped, it would be Lewis.
     
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    Ugotabe Kidding WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

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    The more I have thought about this, the more I lean towards Lewis. Obviously a close fight though
     
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    Lewis is better suited for a guy who's gonna come at him than a guy with Ali's style.
     
  12. puerto rock

    puerto rock WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

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    I don’t think Ali would make the mistake he made against Henry Cooper. He’d approach Lewis knowing that one mistake could lead to a bad ending and would fight accordingly.
     
  13. cdogg187

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    And why do we pretend that Ali wasn't a better, stronger guy by 1967 than he was in the first Cooper bout?

    For this matchup, Ali's ridiculous speed is being kind of overlooked
     
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  14. Double L

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    Same is true for Ali.
     
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    Ugotabe Kidding WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

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    Also, Lewis was never troubled by movers, and for a guy his size he had a very good footwork.

    Of course, he never fought anything like Ali, but that is true vice versa as well
     
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    What good mover did Lennox fight? This isn't a mere mover, it's a ludicrously fast guy that can move all night
     
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    Good point. I never considered that
     
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    Ali will have to enter the danger zone against a massive-punching super heavyweight who fights tall. It ain't gonna be easy.
     
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    Kirk Johnson
     
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    Well? You said he wasn't really troubled by movers... I assume you've got some movers he showed this quality against
     
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    You sure?
     
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    Ali 116-112
     
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    In the very next chapter I said 'he never fought anything like Ali', which I think is obvious.

    The point is, we don't know how Lennox would deal with Ali's movement, even though Ali clearly had the greater footwork. Guys like Mildenberger and Norton were able to sort of keep up with him, even though they were much slower too. Had Lewis had trouble with movers in his career, we would know for sure how he could (not) deal with Ali
     
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    Agreed. He fought Holmes out of his prime.
     
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    The larger point is Lewis never fought anybody who moved notably well and the phrase "never had trouble with movers" implies he was met with the task of fighting one. It's like saying Lucia Rijker never had trouble with male opponents
     
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    Lennox never fought Larry Holmes
     
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    puerto rock WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

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    My bad I meant Ali
     
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    So far I've learned on this thread that Lummox fought Kirk Johnson and Larry Holmes.

    But I bet yall don't remember when Lummox fought Sonny Liston... I remember.
     
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    Lennox had no problem walking down the speedy Billy Conn in 1941
     
  30. Double L

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    Ha ha
     
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