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Terp is just too transparent a wind-up merchant to bother with

 

Gomez was certainly good. But he wasn't in a different category than Trinidad. One can appreciate the greatness of Gomez without buying into the legend.

 

He was alaways hyped as the next PR great. Obviously no one placed him above those guys until he started building a resume.

That’s my point. Outside of the Hopkins fight that ended his run, the only black mark on Trinidad’s run was him struggling in his biggest fight against DLH. But his stock went up after even though people had seen his vulnerability at the elite level, because he had still persevered and got the controversial W.

Benitez and Gomez were knocked down a peg, then knocked down again and they never really got as close to the top.

 

He was great and his win over Zarate is probably bigger than any of Trinidad’s. But he decisively fell short and the guys he fell short against stood over him (or layed under him in Sanchez’s case) through out his career.

 

What am I winding up? Trinidad just had a better, more momentous, more ‘glorious’ career.

There was no heartbreak for him until he was at the end of his career and by then he was the longest reigning welter, 3 division champ, 5 time champ, unified champ in 2 divisions, was the longest reigning undefeated champ...

 

I think you're ignoring to mention that Trinidad fought average comp for the majority of his welterweight reign.

Gomez's comp at superbantam wasn't exactly murder's row either, but facing a similar level of comp, Gomez was a lot more dominant.

Truth be told, a guy like Alberto Davila was better than Oba Carr, or at least AS GOOD... Gomez toyed with, then destroyed Davila, while Trinidad had a lot of problems with Carr before breaking him down.

Gomez also deserves credit for stopping a prime, game Pintor when he (Gomez) was faded, and also a faded Gomez schooled a prime Laporte.

 

Gomez didn’t beat anybody I’d pick over Tito p4p. Claiming contenders from Gomez resume were better than contenders from Trinidad’s doesn’t mean much since they were all guys fighters at Tito and Gomez level are supposed to beat and that’s what they did.

Trinidad may have had some struggles with young strong contenders but he beat them up consistently like Gomez.

I don’t think Gomez slightly better resume makes up for him falling flat in arguably his biggest fights.

 

Annddddd..... who did Trinidad beat that you'd pick over Gomez P4P?

If you wanna just get down to it, and talk a H2H matchup between the two, P4P.... Gomez would beat the shit outta Tito. We need look no further than the Oscar fight.

Gomez was a MUCH more fluid technician than Oscar, with a lot more stamina than Oscar, and just far more offensive and defensive tools overall.

 

Head to head, Gomez lost his biggest fights because of his chin against guys that didn’t have the offense or power of Tito.

He wasn’t very tall and fought low. You beat Tito by starting offense from the outside to force him to pick up his feet and then you can step out or hit him when he picks them up again. There’s nowhere Gomez could start his offense where Trinidad can’t hit him, so he has to force exchanges with him.

For all his skills and talent it’s hard to pick a short stocky guy that got ktfo in his biggest fights to win a slugfest with Felix Trinidad.

 

You keep saying Gomez got KTFO in his biggest fights, but what are you talking about?

Up until Sanchez, his biggest fight was Zarate... an obliteration in favor of Gomez.

He got stopped by Sanchez, yes.

What else are you referring to? The Nelson KO? Clearly that wasn't Gomez in his peak form. It was the classic case of an old lion getting stopped by a young, hungry lion.

 

Thats the first I’ve heard of Gomez being old coming into the Nelson fight, but I wasn’t around then.

 

Nelson would likely be too strong for any version of Gomez at 126, but by that time Gomez definitely didn't have the legs and reflexes that he had in the late 70s.

 

I think Puerto Rico’s best 4 are..

1- Gomez
2- Ortiz
3- Benitez
4- Trinidad

Now this is overall... In terms of which fighter enjoyed a better career, you can maybe suggest Trinidad over Benitez and Ortiz but that has to do strictly with the era they competed in.

I think Tito is a top contender in the 80s and could win a belt but would lose to the likes of Leonard, Hearns, and Benitez. I’d take him over Cuevas and Palomino, though.

Whereas Benitez likely beats the likes of De La Hoya, Vargas, and Reid in style, and if he got beat, it would likely be because of his lack of desire.

 

How convenient. How the heck did Benitez have a better career than Trinidad? That’s fucking absurd.

 

I never said anything about career, personally... thought that was pretty clear

Ortiz, Gomez and Benitez on their best nights were obviously better than Trinidad on his

That's been my position on this since my initial post

You turned it into "career"

 

Gomez got stopped by a great fighter in a dogged fight where he was competitive

He should've followed Sanchez around eating jabs like a fucking retard and lost a decision or got stopped on the 12th and it would improve his legacy

 

So Trinidad “wasn’t in the class” of not one, not two but 3 guys who had inferior careers to him?

 

If Benitez fought in Trinidad’s era, or this era, I don’t think people would be so dismissive of his struggles.

Cdogg keeps talking this “at their best” stuff and then keeps bringing up Trinidad losing to Hopkins at 160 and looking like shit after coming out of retirement against Wright.

 

I don't think Ortiz or Gomez had inferior careers to him

That's you two wankers

 

Looking like he'd never seen a jab and footwork vs DLH, too

And I'm not comparing that to any of these guys at their best, moron. I'm comparing their defeats with his. They lost competitively, were in the fights. Trinidad got embarrassed, made to look like a daft robot.

But hey, he sure beat that legendary William Joppy character

 

To find “losses” for Trinidad you have to not only go to his 3rd weight class 40 fights into his career, but if you want it plural, you have to go his comeback fights.

Trinidad May have beaten DLH with controversy but that’s better than getting beaten up and knocked out, right?

 

And if Trinidad fought in Benitez's era, his legacy takes a hit as he gets his ass handed to him by the Fab 4.

 

You can make a case for Gomez with the Zarate and Pintor fights and Laporte and Lockridge later in his career.

Ortiz? I don’t care how golden the era was he lost a lot of fights.

 

Maybe. Maybe he wins a thriller against Duran or gets off the canvas a bunch of times to catch Hearns. Maybe he catches slick Willy on one of his many off days and Hilton’s him. Or Moores him. Or maybe it’s an off day for Tito so he just Hamshos him. Lol

 

I doubt Benitez would NOT bring his A game if he fought Tito. It would be the biggest fight in PR history.... Will's not gonna come in lethargic.

And you have the nerve to bring up the HILTON fight????

Benitez had two feet in the grave when he fought Hilton.

 

Trinidad did not have a lot of trouble with Carr. And he dominated a lot of guys there.

You act like odh was some basic boxer out there.

 

Tell em, Doub!

Carr scored a clean knockdown but other than that it was a pretty sharp dominant performance from Trinidad.

DLH boxed like a dream against Tito. But the threat of Tito’s offense kept him from opening up enough to really dominate and the same threat ultimately forced him to cash in his chips and head for the door.

If you watch enough fights you start to see the mental and physical patterns in boxing. When one guy who’s not really getting hit much is probably going to get caught.When one guy with a certain style can’t sustain what he’s doing.

What really impressed me about Tito in the DLH fight was that for a moment it looked like it was going to be one of those fights where the guy made into the aggressive plodder was going to start to fade and bust up and get frustrated and unfurl. But Trinidad was just a retarded boxing machine. I’m sure me and Cdogg can agree on that!

He just willed that fight into another scenario where the guy that was made into the mover gassed down the stretch and it was because Trinidad never stopped being ready to fire and looking dangerous.

 

I quite liked Tito. My track record shows I'm always very high on him, and I pick him probably about 85% of time in MM's.

But Gomez at 122 in the late 70s was nothing short of an amazing fighter. Very few fighters in history were as good at a particular weight as Gomez was at 122.

He peaked higher than any other Rican fighter.

My position will not change. I have Trinidad ranked 4th on the all time Rican list. But what I'll give Tito is that theres a rather HUGE gap between Tito and Cotto at #5.

Cotto wasnt remotely CLOSE to being on the level of the big 4.

 

oh yes, he was like Freddie Pendleton out there

 

I mean, honestly ... this is the best you've got? Do you know anything about boxing prior to 1995?