Tyson Fury v Deontay Wilder

watch it again. I dare you showing me a round Wilder won.

 

Dude

 

just tell me which round and I'll rewatch it and if I'm wrong I'll admit it.

 

Knockdowns COUNT in fights

It is a 10 point MUST system

9-9 isn't a thing

 

you know what counts more than a knockdown? whiteness.

 

Someone's been totally wasting their time on the elliptical trainer again...

 

You know what counts more than whiteness???






























Nothing.

 

Wilder won 3 rounds at most. And that’s bending over backwards.

Fury slapped him silly.

 

You Could MAYBE Give him 4 (Or 3 and 1 Even), but Definitely NOT 5...He Lost the Fight for Sure...





REED

 

Yeah he clearly lost the fight, knockdowns or not

 

I'm fairly neutral on Wilder and Fury, but Fury won that fight clear as day. 10-2, the only rounds Wilder won were the ones he knocked Fury down in.

 

Fury's chief cornerman/trainer during the fight:

 

Fury didn’t really start to win rounds clearly til the mid rounds, then he got dropped.

 

Yes of course.

 

Excellent!

 

I still don’t see any early rounds to give to Wilder. He landed what must have been no more than 3 clean punches through 5 rounds.

Doing little is still better than doing nothing.

 

Fury beat Wilder the same way he did Wlad basically. Although, I think Fury was less afraid to open up against Wilder.

 

I agree with your first sentence, it was the same approach for sure, I would disagree that he was less afraid to open up more, I just think there were more opportunities to launch attacks. Wilder in fact was more willing to throw, and deserves respect for doing so.

 

When Not Much Occurs in a Particular Round, Scoring Boils Down to RING GENERALSHIP-Who’s Fighting THEIR Fight? Who’s PACE Was That Round Fought @?

Fury OWNED the Ring Generalship Aspect of the Scoring Criteria; and Obviously Defense.

REED Wasn’t Mad @ a Draw at All, But Fury WON the Fight Undoubtedly.






REED

 

Without the Benefit of Punchstats from Both Bouts, it SEEMED Like Fury Fired More Shots at Wilder, for Sure.

Wlad Possesses Waaaaaaay More Tools than Wilder, He was Simply Reluctant to Use Them vs. Fury.

Wilder’s a Basic 1-2-3 Guy, Until he HURTS His Opponent. Then he Goes ApeShit. Jab, Right Cross, Left Hook. Rinse-Repeat.

Fury Negated Wilder’s Jab Immediately and Quickly Picked Up on the Timing/Trajectory of the Cross. And Wilder’s Left Hook is MOST Effective When Following the Right Cross. Constantly Missing the Cross Lessened the Amount of Left Hooks Wilder Fired.

Basically, Fury Shut Wilder’s ENTIRE Offense Down.







REED

 

Damn Ronaldo is almost as tall as AJ?

 

Yeah that surprised me as well.

 

When one guy spends most of the round moving backwards and dodging bullets without landing much or putting up much offense of his own, then the aggressor is the ring general forcing his opponent to respond to his actions, forcing him to be defensive and getting off shots.

I don’t give rounds based on style points and protecting yourself. Neither did the judges and neither did most non British viewers which is why the draw wasn’t very controversial.

Fury seemed up and starting to really take control by the time he got dropped but the general audience didn’t see him dominating

 

DEFENSE is Part of the Scoring Criteria, as Mandated by the 10-Point Must System, Period.

EFFECTIVE Aggression is Supposed to Be Scored Favorably, but NOT Aggression Just for the Sake of It.

Fury Fought Like Fury ALWAYS Fights and it was a Fury Pace in All But 2 Rounds. That’s RING GENERALSHIP. Fury’s DEFENSE Made Wilder Look Inept More Often Than Not; the Way he ROLLED w/Shots Was DURANesque, Only Fury’s 6’9, 260.

CLEAN/HARD PUNCHES, EFFECTIVE AGGRESSION, DEFENSE, RING GENERALSHIP.

Fury OWNED 2 of Those Areas, Wilder LANDED “Clean/Hard” Punches in 2 of 12 Rounds and His Level of Aggression was Patently INEFFECTIVE in the Vast Majority of the Other 10.





REED

 

Clean effective punching is the prime criteria and if one guy is comfortable enough to try to land clean effective punches and the other guy is preoccupied with avoiding them then the aggressors aggression is effective in that his opponent isn’t trying to land like he would otherwise.

You say Fury “fought how he always fought” by moving around trying not to get hit but Wilder fought how he always fights; periodically trying to land bombs.

Fury ultimately failed to win because he didn’t put up enough offense and he let Wilder toss bombs at him until they landed. People praise him for his defense but part of defense is taming the opponents offense and Fury never did that. He just kept avoiding the punches. It looks neat and boxingish when he ducks under and rolls with shots but he really shouldn’t have had to resort to it nearly as much as he did and that’s why he got clipped.

 

I remember clowning Wlad after the Fury fight and saying “Wlad looked like he was ready to quit or let himself get stopped. If Fury could put together a proper professional boxing combination he would’ve stopped him.”

He’s so used to being huge and keeping range and touching his opponent that he hasn’t developed a real offense.

 

But Fury landed clean shots from the beginning.

 

This bazooka character is an idiot

 

But ALL of the Criteria Matters, Especially in the ABSENCE of "Clean, Effective Punching"...

TRYING to Land Isn't the Same As, NOR Scored the Same as ACTUALLY Landing...You Don't Award the Aggressor for the SAKE of Being Aggressive...You Don't Reward INEFFECTIVE Aggression...

Fury Fought Like He Fights, Wilder TRIED to Fight Like He Fights...That's the Difference...There's No Participation Medals or Brownie Points for "Trying" in Boxing, Sorry...Fury was SUCCESSFUL Fighting the Way he Fights in Significantly MORE Rounds Than Wilder Was...Again, That's RING GENERALSHIP...

You Keep Harping on Fury "Failing" to Win as if Wilder Did...If Anything, Fury Getting a DRAW in the US, on a Pro-Wilder Card, Pro-Wilder Promotion IS a Win...

REED Explained to You Last Post How Fury MINIMIZED Wilder's Offense...Wilder's a Jab, Right Cross, Left Hook Guy...Fury Took the Jab Away Almost Immediately and Wilder's Left Hook Is Only a Factor IF he's Landing the Right Hand 1st, Which he Largely WASN'T...

REED Wouldn't Say Fury's Defense "Tamed" Wilder's Offense, Because of Wilder's Unwavering Confidence and Self Belief in his Power, but Fury's Defense Most Definitely NEGATED Wilder's Offense for the Vast Majority of their Bout...






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