Has punching power improved during history?

What killed guys back then was how often they fought. IF anything, poor gloves lead to battered hands and battered faces but the brain escaped because the hands were fucked after a few rounds.

The length of the fights and the fact that guys had more losses than todays guys have fights is what did for them.

Repetition, that basic law of physics, is what causes damage.

Metal fatigue causes more plane accidents than anything else.

Low stresses applied routinely are the cause of the damage. In Football, CTE is caused my MILD traumas to the head over time.

 

Ah sorry man, I thought you meant boxing.

 

PEDS are about performance enhancing, so you won't get more KO's unless the guy is about enhancing that aspect of his performance.

And, since PED's can theoretically be used to enhance the aspects of boxing that help us ESCAPE the KO, and given that punching power is hard to perfect in the first place, it stands to reason that the PED helps a guy escape being KO'd better than it helps him secure the KO.

 

Simply not true. Strenght is important when it comes to cornering your opponent and walking him down. Look at what big baby miller is doing. If he wasnt as strong as an ox, his style wouldnt work

 

I Agree.

 

I dont know in what world hut is living, but in the one i live in, the bench press recprd has improved a lot since the 80s

 

Have to agree here. A big part of Floyd's success was his strength, very few people were able to get the better of him up close, and many opponents mentioned being surprised by just how strong he was. Ward is another guy too. Carl Froch is p4p one of the strongest athletes I've seen, but Ward was perhaps the only guy I've watched who was able to push him back. You could tell Froch was shocked by it as well, it was obviously one of the things he was banking on getting him through when presented with such a skill deficit, and any chance he had of winning went when that battle was lost.

 

I think what often happens is when a guy gets a reputation of being on the defensive side or even "slick" opponents treat them as being weak. They go in figuring once they get inside they can take over physically. When they can't they're essentially fucked as that's what they were banking on.

 

dont want to sound like Hegman, but when I see people claiming strenght is not really important in boxing, I realise a lot of these so called fightbeat experts never laced them up

 

Id argue technique had more to do with Floyd and wards success in the clinch than huge strength advantages

 

You obviously never laced them up

 

Strength isn’t just important in the clinch but in boxing period. Out boxing someone is about maintaining distance and position and if a guy can move you and you can’t move him then you have to constantly react to him to maintain position.

 

In boxing 95% of that movement happens volitionally without a touch though, generally because of the perceived threat of punches and the superior ability of one guy to position himself to land them, millisecond to milisecond. Watch Hearns back cuevas or duran up for instance - how much physical strength was applied in doing so?

 

Sounds cool in a lab setting but in an actual fight outside of a video game, strength effects everything.

All that technique falls apart when the stronger guy moves you out of position and he doesn’t have to tackle you to do it, so the weaker guy is not going to want to be touched by the stronger guy. All of that extra effort to keep proper distance and position adds up and that’s the main way a strong guy breaks people down. Not by humping their stamina away in a clinch.

 

exactly. Total nonsense that strength is not important in boxing. Guys like Lovemore N'dou pretty much made a carreer only with strength

 

Do guys generally back up because they're scared of the clinch (strength) or of punches (power) as I said?

 

Big Baby Miller is a perfect example. It’s not that hard for opponents to maneuver around him but the challenge is to keep doing it constantly because they don’t have the physicality/strength to not keep distance and position.

It’s not they slip up and get caught with a huge shot, they tucker themselves out from effort.

 

I think you're probably right there but fighting a geezer with a 80-100lb weight advantage is pretty atypical in boxing

 

Boxers don’t back up because they’re scared. They back up to maintain distance and position. When a guy is stronger than you it becomes more important to maintain that distance and position.

That’s why when a guy known for strength fights a guy known as a boxer the boxer usually moves back as the strong guy comes forward. The boxer has to maintain that position and react to the stronger guy. The strong guy doesn’t have to react to what the boxer is doing in the same way.

 

It’s the same concept and it’s not that hard to understand. When you fight a guy that you don’t want to let touch you, be it from his punching power or his physical strength, you have to work harder to keep range and position.