Tyson Fury v Deontay Wilder

You don’t reward a guy for simply protecting himself and ducking when the punches come at his head either.

If all you’re doing is defending you can’t score. If you’re being aggressive you’re putting yourself in position to score. You’re saying Wilders aggression was ineffective but it affected Fury and kept him defensive. Wilder ultimately dropped him twice because Fury was so defensive that Wilder was allowed to take swing after swing until he connected.

 

Yes you do. Defending is one criteria for scoring. It usually isn't the decisive one, but it CAN decide the round. Missing punches never count.

Aggression can be effective even if you are not landing clean. If your aggression forces the other guy to run away from exchanges or to clinch continuousl, then you can argue that the guy throwing punches is getting the better of the exchanges, thus having the ring generalship on his side. But if he merely swings and misses as the other guy ducks, slips and blocks, he isn't doing effective work.

This is not my opinion either, it is the boxing rules

 

You don’t score points for not getting hit. You can’t win a round without throwing a punch.

 

I said in the 6th round Fury was going to get caught.

He’s a really rangy mobile guy and his game is controlling distance and position so he can touch the other guy. He really shouldn’t have to bend his knees and waist to duck under his opponents punches that often. That should be more of a last resort when he hasn’t maintained position. But a lot of the praise for his defense was the way he was “consistently” ducking under Wilders right hand.

It was just a matter of time before he ducked wrong and got caught and when he did he got hit with haymakers because he was letting the guy throw them and be in range to land.

 

In fact you can, even though it isn't very likely

 

Yes You CAN, as Mandated by the 10pt Must System. It Actually EXISTS Terp, REED Ain't Making This Up...

By his OWN Admission, Fury's a "Heavyweight Floyd Mayweather", a Backfoot, Defensive Minded Fighter...Wilder Didn't MAKE or KEEP Fury Defensive, that's HOW Fury Fights...

And Let's Not Pretend Fury was Offering Up NO Offense Whatsoever...REED's Pretty Sure Fury OUTLANDED Wilder...







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You Don't Score Points for MISSING Shots Either...





REED

 

In Theory, Fury SHOULDN'T Give Up his Height by Ducking Under Shots, but This was a RARE Occasion Where the Opponent was Roughly HIS Height...6'9 to 6'7... Fury Ducked Under Some and ROLLED w/Others, and in All BUT 2 Rounds, it WORKED...

You Don't Score a Round on the Notion or Belief a Guy MIGHT Get Caught...Like You, REED Suspected Wilder Would Eventually Land, But That's Because Wilder ALWAYS Finds a Way to Eventually Land, As Opposed to Any FLAW REED Saw in Fury's Defense...If Anything, REED Thought Rolling w/Some of Those Looooooong, Right Hand Bombs was RISKIER than Ducking Under Them...







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By your logic, once a fighter has established in other unrelated fights that he’s a defensive kind of guy the standards for his offense become dramatically lower and he now gets points or half points or style points whenever he protects himself.

Defense doesn’t “score” at all just like any fucking sport. It’s really just part of negating clean effective punching. You don’t get points for turnovers, interceptions or blocked shots. This is really just convoluted boxing fan bullshit.

 

Apparently you get points for loading up and missing by miles on Terp's card

 

Just like you receive points for missed shots in basketball and rushes that end in fumbles. JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER SPORT!

 

There’s no “theory” dumbass, he was the taller, rangier, more mobile boxer. He shouldnt even have to roll with shots he should’ve been able to just step out and watch them fall short if he was in such control.

Every time he ducks a shot and ends up in Wilders arm pit it means that Wilder got into range and got a shot off and all Fury could do was duck... Thats not defensive skill and it’s not more complicated than it looks; he had to duck. Wilder successfully got into that position over and over again. Fury was just as lucky not to get KO’d sooner as Wilder was to catch him late.

I didn’t score rounds for Wilder because I thought he might land later, I’m demonstrating how you’re perception of his performance was off. You saw a really broad picture of a guy out boxing the other and you ran away with it like a lot of others. Then when the master defensive boxer who was in complete and total control got knocked on his fucking head twice “from out of nowhere!” it created controversy.

 

Clean effective punching is the primary criteria and defense is its own reward, logically. The idea of actually scoring defense is fundamentally absurd. It’s defense, the opposite of scoring. Yeah they say it in the criteria but unless you’re an asshole internet boxing fan looking for stuff to talk about, then scoring a fight is pretty self-explanatory.

What you guys are really talking about is giving “style points” in a sport where the whole objective is to hit the other guy with punches.

 

Clean punching is the main attribute in scoring a boxing match, and nobody has said otherwise.

However, the RULES (not us) also recognize "style points", such as ring generalship and defense.

So if you want to judge a fight correctly (the same way the judges do), you simply have to consider them.

If you have come up with better set of rules, feel free to use them. They are just difficult to discus about

 

If Wilder outlanded Fury in any of the rounds in which he did not score a knockdown, I'd like to know which one

Everyone's a dumbass except Terp and Dan Rafael

 

It's Only Convoluted Boxing Fan Bullshit to YOU Terp...

CLEAN/HARD PUNCHES, EFFECTIVE AGGRESSION, RING GENERALSHIP, DEFENSE...

It Doesn't Get Much Clearer or More Concise Bruh...As Mandated by the 10-Point Must System...As BAD As You Want to Make it About a STYLISTIC PREFERENCE, the 10-Point Must System is in Place to Guard AGAINST That...

A Defensive Fighter Doesn't Get Points, Necessarily, for Being Defensive, but in the ABSENCE Of Clean/Hard Punches and Effective Aggression, Guess What? You HAVE to Score that Round Based on SOMETHING!...And That's what the Vast Majority of the Wilder-Fury Rounds Boiled Down To...





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In Terp's Defense, Those were CLEAN/EFFECTIVE Misses....






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Judges don’t “score” defense.

 

You had Wilder winning ... so what criteria did you use because it couldn't be clean punching

 

If fighter A throws 5 punches and fighter B evades them all who wins ? One guy showcased failed agression and the other exhibited successful defense. So what's better? To fail at something or succeed? Clearly fighter B wins this argument.

 

I had it a draw. In a round where neither guy lands much it’s usually scored for the aggressor because he’s ‘making the fight’ and that’s a general rule in boxing. That’s all I’m saying and that’s what the judges and most non British fans saw and that’s why it was scored a draw without much controversy.

Obviously Fury won more rounds but whether he actually swept all of the early rounds or not went from a minor detail to the most important element of the fight and its the supposed knowledgeable boxing fans who over thought it into a landslide shut out.

Even casuals watched and said “Well, the white guy actually looks like he’d be the better dancer but neither of them is really doing anything.” You’re boxing knowledge didn’t allow you to see things they couldn’t, it helped you imagine a narrative where one boxer was somehow dominating the other without landing punches.

Part of the reason some ‘boxing fans’ are so upset is that Wilders knockdowns made the fight close enough to expose their impractical, bullshit boxing logic. If Fury doesn’t go down you’d complain about how unjustifiably close the score cards were.

 

Fuck You Terp…

You're PISSY Because You Can't Subject REED to Any Racial BIAS in This Instance, None of Your Customary "REED's Looking Out for the Brother" Bullshit, So You Resort to Name Calling???...Lick Balls Motherfucker...

Apparently, You're OBLIVIOUS to the 10-Point Must System Which EVERY Reputable Championship Fight is Scored Under, yet REED's the Dumbass???...Okay...

It's Also Pretty Obvious You HAVEN'T Watched Many Tyson Fury Fights...He's TYPICALLY Within Punching Range of His Foe...He's Not a TOTALLY Disengaged, On Your Toes, Stick and Move Guy, Although that's In his Repertoire...To Characterize Fury's Defense that Night as "Lucky" is Some IGNORANT, UNFOUNDED Bullshit...

Even Those who PICKED Wilder, Like REED, KNEW He'd Have TROUBLE Landing Clean Shots and Would More than Likely TRAIL on the Scorecards, Before Conjuring Up a LATE KO...& Aside from Fury's Miraculous Climb from the Canvas in the 12th, the Fight Played Out as MOST Expected...Those that PICKED Wilder, Anyways...

Fury has INSTINCTIVE Defense...What He SHOULD or SHOULDN'T Do By Terp's LAME Ass Standards Doesn't Matter; Fury Does What he FEELS He Should Do...If a Guy's Only 2 Inches Shorter Than You and Every Bit as Rangy, it's NOT the Worst Thing in the World to DUCK When he Fires @ You...If Fury Did This Against a 6' Heavyweight, There'd Be Validity to Your Point, but NOT When the Foe Basically Looks Fury Eye to Eye AND Head Hunts Exclusively...

You've Convinced YOURSELF Fury was Ducking Out of Desperation or Because He Had No Other Recourse, When in Actuality he Ducked and Rolled w/Shots Effectively Because he QUICKLY Picked Up on Wilder's TIMING and ANGLING of His Right Hand...

It's Not Like Wilder was Simply Missing, Fury MADE His Ass Miss...And He OUTLANDED Wilder...





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Fighter A because he was the aggressor forcing the opponent to respond to what he was doing. Under your logic Fighter B can keep piling up the points without ever actually throwing a punch and that’s absurd.

You don’t get points for protecting yourself, you stop the opponent from scoring points. What you guys are saying is the defensive fighter doesn’t have to actually punch because he’s somehow scoring points in a boxing match without throwing or landing punches.

 

Why is Defense PART of the Official Criteria if it's Fundamentally Absurd?

Admittedly, REED's an Arrogant Motherfucker that Looooooooves the Smell of his OWN Shit, but Defecating Upon the Looooooooong Established Parameters of the 10-Point Must System is Even BEYOND His Own Ego...Get OVER Yourself Dude; You're NOT That Great...


REED

 

Exactly...

In the ABSENCE of Clean Effective Punching There HAS to Be Other Criteria by Which to Score a Round...Otherwise, Most Pro's Would Have 3-4 Draws in their Career...





REED

 

No, but They CONSIDER it in the ABSENCE of Clean Effective Punches...





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The main secondary criteria has always been aggression and ‘making the fight’. Close rounds go to the aggressor. The idea that close rounds go the guy that’s more defensive is a totally new concept to me and I’ve been watching boxing for a while...

I’ve honestly never heard that said or typed anywhere before now.

 

Nah, There's ESTABLISHED Rules for a Reason...This is No More than a STYLISTIC PREFERENCE of Yours...

Simple As...






REED

 

This is about the Best Explanation of the 10-Point Must System REED's Seen Online...He HIGHLY Encourages You to REED It...

https://coolmaterial.com/feature/how-to-score-a-boxing-match/

The Only Time "Making the Fight" Matters is if the Guy Uttering that Bullshit LIKES the Inherently More Aggressive Fighter and/or if he's On Some Faux Latin MACHISMO Bullshit...You Want to Reward the Sloth Paced, Face First Fighter but the 10-Point Must System Safeguards AGAINST That, if he's INEFFECTIVELY Aggressive...

No One Said Close Rounds Automatically Go to the More Defensive Guy, but if Defense is PART and PARCEL of the Guys Manner of Fighting, it SHOULD Be Noted in Regards to RING GENERALSHIP, Particularly in a Round Lacking for Clean Effective Punches...

REED that Link's Interpretation of Ring Generalship and HONESTLY Ask YOURSELF Who Carried that Aspect of Wilder-Fury MORE Times than Not???...

By Your OWN Admission, Fury WON More Rounds, Not Sure Why This Gets Your Panties in a Bunch...





REED

 

yes he's excelling at a boxing skill (defense) whereas the other is failing at a boxing skill (offense)