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  1. Xplosive

    Xplosive X-MOD Bad Motherfucker

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    REEDsART MATCHMAKER

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    As Mouthy as Abel was While WITH Triple G, They Should've Known he'd Have Something to Say 1nce Things Went Souf'...





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    Ugotabe Kidding WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

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    I am not quite sure that the side of bitter ex-trainer is the whole truth of the matter
     
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    REEDsART MATCHMAKER

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    REED Certainly Isn't Privy to the Goings On of Team GGG, but this is Fairly Common Whenever the Money Increases...

    More than Likely, GGG Was Paying Abel a % of his Purse, But Now That his Purses Will Allegedly INCREASE Per the Terms of his DAZN Contract, He's Wanting to CAP Abel's Take...

    Tons of Trainers Accept Flat Fees for Working Corners, but ELITE Trainers Like Roach, Garcia, etc., are Getting a % of the Purse...Considering GGG's Career was Going NOWHERE Fast, Prior to Abel, REED Thinks a % of the DAZN Purse is Fair...

    Or, Maybe GGG Feels he Hasn't "Learned" Anything from Abel in a While and DOESN'T Need to Pay a % of his Purse for Someone to Simply Prop Up his Stool and Give him Water btwn Rounds...







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    Xplosive X-MOD Bad Motherfucker

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    Did you read the full article, bruh?

    That's exactly what it was. All these years, Sanchez has been getting 10% of Golov's purse, but upon signing the DAZN deal, Golov wanted to give him a fixed purse.
     
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    Xplosive X-MOD Bad Motherfucker

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    If anybody compares Sanchez to Roach, it must be said... Roach did a lot MORE, much as I dislike Roach.

    Golov was a superb amateur and it didn't take much tweaking on Sanchez's part to turn him into the fighter he became. His skills were already there.

    Whereas Manny was an incredible physical TALENT when he got with Roach, but didn't possess much skill.

    Roach was a lot more instrumental in Pac's success than Abel was in Golov's success.
     
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    I heard that Sanchez wanted all of it.
     
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    Xplosive X-MOD Bad Motherfucker

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    Neil tueur de grenouilles

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    Golovkin doesnt really need a trainer for this rolls guy. he can pay some no name Russian a flat 100k. Pacquiao did the same shit with roach where he let that obese pinoy man the corner
     
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    Xplosive X-MOD Bad Motherfucker

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    Golov should just hire Trump to train.

    "Gennady, you're a tremendous fighter, and it's not your fault that Sanchez guy couldn't train you. I gotta tell ya, that guy probably ran... MS-13... probably ran it. But I gotta tell ya, Gennady... I've seen less bums in the subway than I see on your resume. I gotta tell ya, you really have fought some low energy individuals."
     
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    That's Fucked Up...

    If Abel was Good Enough to GET GGG to the DAZN Contract, he Should Be Good Enough to Maintain his %...





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    Dog Jones WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

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    He should get Norman Stone to train him
     
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    REEDsART MATCHMAKER

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    Golovkin was Almost Toooooooooooooooo AMATEURISH, Tooooooooo EUROPEAN Stylistically...

    Abel PROFESSIONALIZED Triple G's Style...Triple G is the Favorite Fighter of MANY Mexican Fans and That Wouldn't Be the Case w/Out the Work Abel Put in w/Him...And No, Merely SAYING "Mexican Style" Had NATHAN to Do w/It...

    May Not have Been to the Extreme of Roach-Manny, But Abel's IMPACT on GGG Was Apparent...50 Years from Now, If/When Fans Harken Back on GGG, Abel Sanchez Will Be the Trainer (Rightfully) Credited for His Professional Success...





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    Yeah, but that was a One Off and REED Doesn't Recall Manny Ever ANNOUNCING He was No Looooooooooooonger Working w/Roach...

    Even as it Became Known Buboy Would Work his Corner for the Mattttttthhhhhhyyyyysssse Fight, Manny Made it CLEAR He Wasn't Ruling Out Working w/Roach Again...





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    golovkin is being cheap and fully cashing out at this point. if the plan is rolls then alvarez he may as well stick with whoever is willing to take a flat rate of a couple hundred thousand at the most. it aint like he can do anything differently with sanchez in the corner to get an actual decision over alvarez so he's basically showing up for the cheque. its not the most scrupuous or loyal move but it ends up saving him 3 to 5 million dollars.
     
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    Golovkin simply asked himself, "is Sanchez worth that much?" And the answer was, "no." If Sanchez wanted a percentage, he should've made sure the answer was, "yes."

    Thing that must be frustrating for GGG is that in the first fight, he backed Canelo up the whole time and people say Canelo outboxed him (which he clearly did not). So in the rematch, GGG moves forward less, making Canelo come to him. And people say, "Canelo forced the fight."

    GGG should've fought the rematch the same way he fought the first fight.
     
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    Azazel "Twinkle Toes" McJack

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    It's a wise move imo to to give a flat rate to your trainer instead of a percentage or your purse when you start making the big bucks. There's a lot of world class trainers that simply needs a chance to prove themselves and know the game really well. Guy like Sanchez or Roach, while knowledgeable, didn't invent the game. No way they are worth millions.
     
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    Azazel "Twinkle Toes" McJack

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    Yeah, but would GGG achieved the same success with Nacho Beristan, Joel Diaz or any trainer that knows what the fuck he is doing??? Personnaly, I think so.
     
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    REEDsART MATCHMAKER

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    You Could Ask That of ANY Fighter-Trainer Combo Though...Including Pacquiao-Roach...

    It's Boxing's Version of the Chicken/Egg Theory...




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    That's Just It, Sanchez Was Receiving a % the ENTIRE TIME He was w/GGG...

    It's Triple G that's ALTERING the Arrangement that was Already in Place...






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    salaco Undisputed Champion

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    Agreed with above in 90% of cases, with the exception of Pac-Roach, cannot imagine some of the big names mentioned would have so successfully married his aggression with better fundamentals
     
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    :emoji_joy: @ golovkin with nacho Beristain
     
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    Since he whooped his ass Canelo should train him.
     
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    REEDsART MATCHMAKER

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    Boxing is 1 of THE Hardest Sports to Get "Credit" In from a Training/Teaching Perspective and TRAINER'S THEMSELVES are to Blame! :D

    If a Trainer Wasn't THE 1st Motherfucker to Insert a Gumshield Into a Particular 8 Year Old's Mouth, No One Else Seems to Get Credit as that 8 Year Old Matures Thru the Sport...That's the Logic of Most Boxing Trainers, Anyways..."Brought 'em Up from SCRATCH" is the Oft Used Phrase...

    Virgil Hunter Gets FULL Credit for Doing Such w/Andre Ward...Likewise for Anatoly Lomachenko in Regards to His Son and Eddy Reynoso w/Canelo...

    Even w/the APPARENT Growth in Pacquiao and Golovkin, There's a THOUSAND Trainers Out There that Will Tell You Roach and Abel DIDN'T Teach Them Shit...





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    Jesus of montreal WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

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    Not really

    In GGG case, the guy was one of the best amateur fighter ever. Sure, this doesn't always translate into pro success, but odds are any decent trainer would have had success with him
     
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    Xplosive X-MOD Bad Motherfucker

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    True indeed.

    My point was, its easier to refine the style of a guy who already has the skills in place. And Golov already had the skill to tweak.

    Manny didnt have any skills in place - just incredible natural handspeed, athleticism and power. Roach molded him.

    As an example - it's not like Sanchez had to teach Golov how to stay on balance or proper footwork, he already that skill. Manny's footwork and balance needed to be taught by Roach.
     
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    Imagine taking lessons on balance and footwork by a guy with Parkinsons. What next? Vito Antuofermo giving ballet lessons?
     
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    This Minimizes Abel's STYLE of Training Though...Abel's Adept at Getting Fighters to Be SKILLFULLY Aggressive, as he Was w/Terry Norris...

    A More Defensive Minded, Mayweather Sr. Styled Trainer (For Example) AIN'T Having the Same Success w/a Dude Like Triple G...As Good as McGuirt is, REED Isn't Sure his Style of Training Would've Necessarily Been BEST for GGG Either...

    REED Won't Sit Here and Say Abel was the ONLY Guy that Could've Gotten What we Saw Out of Triple G, but There AIN'T as Many You Think...







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    Manny Always Had the Side to Side, Jumpy, In/Out Footwork and Feints...But He Was Pretty Much ALL Left Cross...Range Finding Southpaw Jab-Hard Left Cross...

    Roach Refined Him OFFENSIVELY For Sure...






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