Wilder vs Breazele

Nope, it;s not. It's a matter of terminology.

A proxy exists when one person has the authority to represent somebody else.

In the case of Fury vs Wilder, the only person who represented Fury, was Fury.

The "Win" may be fraudulent, it may be bogus, it may be a lot of things but one thing it isn't is "Proxy".

 

I don't care who Wilder fights, I don't care who he doesn't fight, I don't care period.

It's ironic, the more "Win" we attribute to Wilder in the Fury fight, the more obligation Wilder has to step it up.

The more "loss" we attribute to Fury, the less obligation he has to step it up.

The next part of your statement is pure fallacy- Fury was always a much better draw than Wilder, even in England, long before the illusory, sham intervention device of "Bob Arum" is introduced into the mix.

The final part of your statement belies credit..........being "heard of", for all the wrong reasons, as is the case with Breazeale, is worse than being unheard of.

When you throw in the fact that Breazeale is getting a title shot and Schwarz isn't..........it moves from the silly to the ridiculous.

There is an attempt being made here to portray Wilder as some sort of legitimate champion taking risks appropriate and proportionate to his station.

Fury, as unfair as it may be, can legitimately present himself as a mere contender taking a marking time fight, that luxury is not open to Wilder.

The fact that Fury spanked Wilder, get's the money and a gimme might be unfair, but it's tough shit.

Wilder had 4 years to get into pole position, he couldn;'t do it and when the opportunity came to END Fury, he still couldn't do it.

Wilder gets what he deserves.

 

Obviously, the entire farce has become very embarrassing for US fight fans as the WBC champ doesn't deserve his title, cannot honour the title when they let him have it, and is now making death threats which bring boxing into disrepute. He's basically threatening to kill somebody who doesn't belong in the ring with him. It's Zelenoff material.

 

1. 1.
   the authority to represent someone else, especially in voting.
   "they may register to vote by proxy"
   synonyms: deputy, representative, substitute, delegate, agent, surrogate, stand-in, attorney, ambassador, emissary, go-between, envoy, frontman; More
   rarefactor, procurator
   "any member is entitled to appoint another person as his proxy to attend and vote instead of him"
   • a person authorized to act on behalf of another.
     plural noun: proxies
   • a document authorizing a person to vote on another's behalf.
2. 2.
   a figure that can be used to represent the value of something in a calculation.
   "the use of a US wealth measure as a proxy for the true worldwide measure"
   

The 2nd Definition of the Word is Applicable...

You, Fury and Others Continue to Say he BEAT Wilder, Which is a PROXY for the DRAW that was Actually Calculated...

PROXY WIN...

If You were to Say, "I Feel Like Fury Won the 1st Fight", That's an Entirely Different Matter...But You, Fury and Others State as a Matter of Fact That he "Already BEAT Wilder"...

PROXY WIN...



REED

 

The only thing that can represent Fury in Fury vs Wilder, is Fury, and that is what happened, on the facts.

The performance relied upon as a winning performance for Fury, was Fury's performance.

For Fury, By Fury.

I admit.......whether he won or did not can be debated, but what cannot be debated is who did the fighting, for that was certainly Fury.

Fury may have a loss to Wilder, he may have a draw, he may have a win by popular opinion, but not by proxy.

That which Fury did in his own person cannot be said to have been done by a proxy.

The only impostor in the ring that night was Wilder, and the only imposters outside the ring that night were at ringside.

 

For what it is worth, albeit different reasons apply, Joshua is also fighting shit unworthy opponents.

 

Of Course You Fucking Care, You're the One that COMMENTED on WHO Wilder was Fighting in the 1st Fucking Place...

Please Don't Open the Can of Worms of "Drawing Power" btwn English and American Fighters...Because the Instant You Whip Out Whatever Soccer Stadium _____ Fought in, REED'll Ask You the TICKET PRICES of Said Fight...Attendance and Live Gate are 2 Separate Things...

English Promoters Prefer 50,000+ w/Reasonably Priced Seats...American Promoters Produce a LARGER Live Gate for 20,000+ w/Absurdly Priced Seats...Who's the "Bigger Draw" in that Instance?...The One that Produced More FANS or the One that Produced More MONEY???...

Dominic Brezeale is a BETTER Fighter than Tom Schwarz. Unless You DISagree w/This, Your Entire Premise is FUTILE...Fury's Facing an INFERIOR Opponent, yet ALL Of Your Angst is Targeted @ Wilder?...

REED's Issue is Fury IS NOT Presenting Himself as a "Mere Contender"...Every Other Word Out of his Mouf' is "Lineal Heavyweight Champion", "Man Who Beat the Man Who Beat the Man"...

Whether You Believe Fury "Spanked" Wilder or Not, the FACT Is, One of Them Came DANGEROUSLY Close to Being Knocked the Fuck Out and THEN Had Their Wife and Trainer Do Public Interviews Expressing their Desire to NEVER Revisit That Opponent or Situation Again...

And That Guy AIN'T Wilder...





REED

 

Breazeale is undoubtedly higher ranking.

Whether he is better I don't know but I do know he had a title shot 3-4 fights ago against a man considered as good as Wilder and was blown out and proved totally worthless.

I say this sincerely, consider the following: Corrie Sanders undoubtedly had a lower ranking than Chris Byrd or Ray Mercer when he beat Wlad.

The issue here is not the quality of Breazeale or the quality of Schwartz, it rotates around the simple inescapable formality that the only tangible title held by either man is held by Wilder, and accordingly it is to Wilder that the onus must apply, to fight the best available opponent.

If Breazeale is the best AVAILABLE opponent then there is nothing further to discuss. If Breazeale was a lesser fighter than Tom Schwartz, there would be still nothing to discuss, provided he was the best available man.

I wasn't aware that Fury sent his wife out to do anything for him. His wife may have said something but it is a stretch to say that Fury sent her out to do his talking for him.

If Fury didn't want to get iced in the 12th he'd have quit in the 6th...............the notion that a guy who improves consistently in rematches would want no part of Wilder, having survived Wilders best, is debatable.

The notion that he got his wife to tell everyone this isn't debatable.......it's risible.

 

Wilder's Been Doing That Since the RE w/Stiverne, @ Least...

Fighters Have a MYRIAD of Personalities, Quirks, Idiosyncrasies, etc., to Get THEMSELVES Going...Some "Nice Guy" Their Way Thru the Proceedings, Others Go to a DARKER Place, So to Speak...

It's Not Good OR Bad; it IS What it IS...






REED

 

Fury may call himself the Linear heavyweight champ.

However, I myself feel me to be the tallest man in the world.......but that doesn't mean I have to prove it or that anyone has to believe it.

It is perhaps ANNOYING that Fury get's to strut around calling himself this and that and the other..........but because the titles he has bestowed upon himself are at best intangible and at worst downright illusory........it stands to reason that he cannot be held to the same standards as a man that the World Boxing Council no less recognize as the Heavyweight Champion.

 

I don't disagree.........Wilder goes to one side of the dial, Fury to the other side, both are off the dial, it's largely immaterial.

But......in Wilders case, it does somewhat worsen a bad situation.

He;s threatening to kill NOT a guy that might KILL HIM............but rather he's threatening to kill a guy that has NO CHANCE against him.

It comes across as rank bullying of a totally hapless opponent.

 

Why does anybody still notice WBC or any other title? It means nothing. Nothing.

Also, even real champions are allowed to have soft touches. And Breazeale as a top-20 isn't even that soft, not compared to Sosnowski, Briggs, Pianeta etc anyway

 

You KNOW Who's Better, You're Just Knee Deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep in a Contradiction and Don't Want to Admit It...

Brezeale Went 7 Rounds w/Joshua, Dude, That's Not Exactly "Blown Out"...Was Dillian Whyte or Alexander Povetkin "Blown Out"? They were Disposed Of in the Same Exact Round by Joshua...

More than ANY Current Heavyweight, Wilder Has TRIED to Face THE Best Possible Opposition...He was Willing to Fight Povetkin IN RUSSIA, but Povetkin Pissed Dirty...Wilder Was Willing to Fight Luis Ortiz AFTER Ortiz Pissed Dirty....Ended Up Fighting Him Months Later Anyways...Wilder Was Willing to Fight Joshua in Wembley as Well, but Eddie Hearn Was Being Eddie Hearn...And, Wilder's Team Offered Fury a 50-50 Split for a RE, an Offer which Sat w/Fury for MORE Than a Week, Until he Announced He was Signing w/Top Rank...

Say What You Will about Wilder, but his AMBITION Cannot Be Questioned...Least Of All by a Fan of a Guy Facing Tom Schwarz in Lieu of Wilder II...

When Did REED Say Fury "Sent" Anybody to Say Anything? Paris Fury was Interviewed the Day AFTER the Fight, Said She Didn't Like Seeing Tyson Like That and Hoped he NEVER Fought Wilder Again...Fury's Trainer Echoed Similar Sentiments...

REED Recalls You MINIMIZING Wilder's Knockdowns of Fury..."Fury was Dropped by a Non-Punching Crusierweight and Wilder Couldn't Finish Him"...Clearly, You CAN'T Speak Objectively About the Dude...

So Please STOP Trying...






REED

 

I never said he couldn't have a soft touch, in fact, I validated him, if he was the best "available".

The issue here is not the question of the quality or lack thereof of Breazeale, it is the quality or lack thereof relative to the constant whining about Schwarz.

 

I speak better than anyone around here, that's for sure.

Wilder had his chance and blew it.

Fury, and I have already stated that this is unfair, may be strutting around and calling himself this and that but Wilder had the chance to put an end to all of that.

He did not take it and that is an inescapable fact.

I have not contradicted myself, not once.

Saying something is so doesn't mean it it is so.

The point you could make, if you were true to your own narrative, is that Wilder has had a setback vs Fury and needs a touch to rediscover himself.

The real contradiction is the attempt to paint Wilder as an unblemished iridescent star.......who needs an easy fight.

 

I haven't witnessed this constant whining but you might have a point. However, Breazeale is clearly more credible than Schwarz

 

And so he should be...........Wilder is 9 places ahead of Fury in the PFP rankings and 1 place ahead in the divisional rankings and so he should be fighting a better fighter than Fury, end of discussion.

The lower ranked man should NEVER be held to a standard applicable to the higher ranked man, that's a perversion of all logic.

Povetkin and Whyte enjoyed big moments in their fight with Joshua, Breazeale did not.

A standard analaysis that all three went the "same distance" is misleading and demeans any boxing fans own status.

I mean, Akinwande went nearly as many round with Lewis as Vitali..........I guess he gave it a real go too ::

 

That's Just It....

The Schwarz "Whining" Started AFTER You Bitched About Brezeale….






REED

 

Uuuuuuhm, if You SAY So...

What EXACTLY Did Wilder Blow? He's STILL Undefeated and STILL in Possession of the WBC Heavyweight Title...THAT Is the Ultimate in "Inescapable Facts", Bruh...So Again, WHAT Did He Blow EXACTLY???...

Of Your OWN Volition, You've Denigrated Brezeale as a Viable Opponent for Wilder AND Attempted to Absolve Fury for Facing Schwarz, in the SAME Fucking Thread...That's a CLEAR Contradiction, However You Choose to Slice It...

To Say Wilder "Needs an Easy Fight" is as DISINGENOUS as it Gets...Again, Wilder Offered Fury 50-50 for an IMMEDIATE RE...Fury Got a 43-57 Split the 1st Time...

At Least Be FACTUAL w/Your Bullshit Bruh...






REED

 

Exactly...

Until Irish Pissed on Brezeale, No One Said Shit about Schwarz...






REED

 

Has Anyone EVER Said Akinwande was "Blown Out" by Lewis???....

Of Course Not...

Not Only Are You Burning the Candle from BOTH Ends, You're Looking for a 3rd End to Set on Fire...






REED

 

No mate I am pretty sure I read comments on this very forum regarding Schwartz before I meantioned Breazeale.

 

He blew the chance to be Lineal HW Champ, obviously. That's just for openers. By extension, he blew his chance to get rid of Fury.

Again, I reiterate, I am quite prepared to have people say what they want about me but I won't have comments I never made attributed to me.

I said Breazele was a viable opponent if he was the best available opponent, a benefit of the doubt that I give Wilder.

Secondly, I never denigrated DB as an opponent per se, merely relative to the schticklah regarding Schwarz.

I don't believe that Wilder needs an easy fight, after all, he didn't suffer any knockdowns last time out and was only hurt badly once........so, if he don't need an easy fight, and he didn't blow anything the last time, why take an easy fight?

Fury has the solidest grounds ever not to take an immediate Rematch. He got robbed first time out. Why get robbed again?

What's the modus operandi here.........can't get Fury, fight DB instead?

 

Tuesdaay May 14th was my first comment on Breazele.

 

Yep, as early as March 24th the whining had started about Schwarz
Tyson Fury v Tom Schwarz

So give me credit for that much at least.............I never opened my mouth about DB until well after the comments about Schwarz had started.

 

You know what would be better match-making?

Deontay Wilder has a re-match with Tyson Fury with Dominic Breazele vs. Tom Schwarz on the undercard

 

That would require a degree of good faith that is simply non-existent in boxing right now.

1. Fury doesn't believe he will get a fair shake, his position is supported by numerous examples, not least his being robbed last time out.

2. Wilder won't have the fight in the UK. His good faith extends only to a 50-50 split, which is generous but :-

{a} Fury beat him and would be earning more than 50% in a rematch had he been justly treated in the first fight

{b} Wilder makes more money with Fury than he can in any other fight bar Joshua, which isn't happening.


This dispenses of Fury vs Wilder.

3. Low-Ranked guys won't fight {each other} with anything anywhere near the regularity the division needs to create liquidity in the rankings.

 

Irish is really making a fool out of himself here

 

Go ahead, show me

Bear in mind........they said they only started complaining about Schwarz after I complained about Breazeale.......

I complained about Breazele on May 14th.

They started the Schwartz whining on March 24th.

 

A COMPLETE One @ That....








REED