AJ "Sways" His Way Back Into REED's Good Graces. JOSHUA-RUIZ Thread.

There's some credibility to it for sure, don't forget the "why am I feeling like this?" quote to his corner in-between rounds. Anyone who has suffered a panic attack will know that the shit is legit terrifying, fighting is the last thing you'd want to do. Still though, both AJ and Hearn have denied this as well.

 

This was basically a replay of Maidana-Ortiz

 

seems like you had a few of them

 

:)

AJ's dad can fuck off............Ruiz WAS the soft touch they were all looking for....how can it be OK to get the Millar fight but NOT OK to fight a clinically obese mess who wants to be sponsored NOT by Pony or Nike but by fucking Snickers....??

AJ looked just fine right up until the point he got hit.

AJ has been carefully managed all along and the Ruiz fight was the latest bit of careful management. He's made millions. He was steered into the easiest HW title shot in living memory. He has been well managed, if by managed you mean maximum exposure, maximum money, minimum risk. I mean, he was propelled to the verge of Billion Dollar Stardom off a fraction of the effort and risk that supposedly "soft touch" White Heavyweights got. He was WELL MANAGED from that POV.

My theory........AJ was on stuff, he came off it so Miller failed a test and AJ passed, then the plan was to find a no-mark bum and kick the shit out of him "On short notice" and make big headlines and land a TV deal.

It's all I can think of. There's no proof for any of this but there's no proof for anything else either.

 

Jesus........what was Hearn supposed to do? Can you imagine if Joshua hadn't gone out? I mean.......all the fucking hype and then the guy doesn't show? It would have been WORSE than getting sparked. Now everybody want's to fight him, but if he didn't come out and fight? He'd have forfeited his belts and gotten laughed at and shunned.....and of course, I agree, as you say, we got no proof of any of this...I think this is a clever ruse by somebody to throw us all off the scent of Joshua's shoddy jaw.

 

Ok.............

Boxing news: Dillian Whyte reveals legal DOPING theory behind shock Anthony Joshua loss


this is common enough..........."Therapeutic Use Exemptions" are very common in UK sport including Soccer.

Mo Farah, Dirk Kuyt, Bradley Wiggins and Froome are just some of the guys who have been using TUE's to "dope legally".

 

Not so much no, he seems pretty backgroundy from everything I have seen.

But yeah his reaction was as you described.

Given Joshua's body language and what not, I would say the panic attack is probably the most believable of all these rumours.

Maybe local London homey Joshua really was a bit spooked by his big US debut in MSG.

 

I agree with that. Bottling it at the last minute would be even worse. At least he actually fought, can fight again in the rematch, and everyone was kind of happy and there's a lot of buzz.

If Hearn was like "Oh no problem buddy, you just lay down and take some aspirin, these people will hafta just fly home now", can oyu imagine the backlash?

His career stands a much better chance of recovering from getting bashed up by Big Andy.

 

Larry Holmes told a story about how when he was walking out to face Tyson, what might have happened had he just turned around and walked back to the dressing room. He was imagining the look on all the HBO suits faces and felt the only thing that made him not do it was that he himself would never live it down.

Whatever panic and worry Joshua had should have evaporated once he dropped Ruiz, and he dropped him hard.

He went straight back in for the kill.

When Corrales fought Garcia for the IBF 130lb strap......he said "A tonne of pressure left my body after the first knockdown".....so I can accept guys go in under pressure, but Joshua didn't start badly, he started really well, and only fucked up when he was on top.

It reminds me of Johnny Tapia saying "The occasion got to me" when he faced Paulie Ayala.............but he calmly outboxed Ayala in the opening round.

Only later, when Ayala came back into it, did Tapia's "issues" surface.

 

Had a couple a long time ago, must be over ten years or so now, but aye.

 

this shit is getting out of hand!!!

Now the main broadcasters are involved.

 

What a cunt to speak to you like that. Should have told him to fuck off. None of his business what your issues are or were. French cunt.

 

Panics attack is more evidentiary of the western jingoists males without PhDs now beings the biggest wuss

 

Most panic attacks are linked to an earlier trauma which itself had nothing to do with a panic attack, eg being attacked by a dog in early childhood, or being in an accident. It's basically a PTSD linked with the earlier incident which resurfaces in conditions related to or similar to the earlier incident. I don't think AJ had a panic attack because he is unbeaten as a pro and ain't lost for 7 years and it's unlikley that any fat white people have every beaten him in a fight before.

 

Only people who hate Palestine have panic attacks!! It's true!! Yasser was murdered by Panicky Jews!!

 

Good GOD Irish, Let it GO Bruh...

We GET it, You LOATHE AJ and Everything he Represents...You've Gone to GREAT Lengths GLOATING and Applying REVISIONIST Bullshit to What Joshua's Done, Since the Ruiz Embarrassment...And Now "AJ's Dad Can Fuck Right Off"???

Spoken Like a Man Without Children...Per MWS, Joshua's Dad is a "Background" Parent, NOT the Type to Intentionally Make HIMSELF the Story...So There's SOMETHING to His Post-Fight Reaction and Needing to Be Restrained from Getting @ Hearn...Of Course, YOU Want to Bury That Because YOU Want Joshua BURIED, Period...

Wlad Shit the Bed vs. Fury and Fury Couldn't Handle the Pressures of Being World Champion, BY HIS OWN ADMISSION...Nonetheless, YOU'VE Taken Your Angst Out on Joshua, for Garnering the Titles Fury Deemed HIMSELF Unfit to Defend...And Then Joshua KO'ed Your Boy, Who You've Conveniently Classified as 'Shot' Ever Since...Ditto for Povetkin...

By ALL Accounts, Ruiz was a More Daunting Task than Jarrell Miller...

And in NO Way Did AJ Look "Just Fine" During his Ringwalk NOR During the Anthems...And he Fought Tentative as FUCK in the 1st 2 Rounds (Though REED Felt his Jab Still WON Those Rounds)...It Wasn't Until Round 3 that Joshua Looked "Just Fine" and That's When he Opened Up and Dropped Ruiz...

From REED's Perspective, Joshua was MISmanaged...

Hearn OVERSTATED His Worth, ASSuming AJ Would Always Deserve A-Side Treatment Over Wilder...Team Wilder Offered Joshua a 2-Fight Deal Guaranteeing a MINIMUM of $50mil for the 1st Fight and a MINIMUM of $35mil for an Immediate RE...Hearn Had HIS Sights Set on Signing w/DAZN Instead, and Made the Mistake of "Settling" for $20-$25mil Paydays THINKING the Big Wilder Payday Would Always Be There for Joshua...

And Now it Isn't...Even if they Still Fight, it'll NEVER Generate What it Could've....2 Undefeated Men in their Primes Vying for the Undisputed Heavyweight Championship of the World???...Hearn SHAT On That...






REED

 

The MANNER of the Ruiz Loss is the Absolute WORST Case Scenario...

The Optics of a Musclebound Dude Getting His Shit Pushed In by a Short, Flabby Dude will NEVER Go Away and CANNOT Be Understated...

Obviously, They'd Have to Get CREATIVE w/an Excuse (Can't Just Come Right Out and ACKNOWLEDGE a Pre-Fight Panic Attack), But Pulling Out Last Minute Would've Been (Slightly) LESS Disastrous Than What Transpired in the Ring, in REED's Opinion...








REED

 

REED Disagrees for the Simple Fact There'd Always Be MYSTERY As to What Happened in Joshua's Locker Room...And That in Itself Would Add Intrigue to His Next Bout...

To REED it's Better for Everyone to WONDER if Joshua Bitched Out, Than to Proceed Accordingly and Have His Worst Pre-Fight Fears REALIZED...

Obviously, There'd Have Been Major Backlash from the Network, the Commissiion, MSG, etc., But the Shroud of MYSTERY Would Still Exist...As Is, Joshua was Pretty Much Exposed and There's No UNSEEING That...







REED

 

Holmes was an Old, Semi-Retired Man Looking for Paydays @ That Point...Joshua was @ the HEIGHT of His Earning Potential...

Even if Joshua Had Pulled Out Last Minute, it WOULDN'T Have Hurt His Appeal In the UK, Would It???...And Within a Fight or 3, He'd Have Rebuilt a Bit of Cache w/American Venues...

Bear in Mind, What REED's Saying ISN'T Absolute, it's Case by Case...Eddie Hearn May Never Again Have a Packaged Money Maker the Likes of Joshua...When THAT Guy Tells You "Something Ain't Right", You LISTEN...Now, if He Has a TENDENCY to Go This Route, That's Another Story...

But if This was the 1st Time Joshua Came @ Hearn Like That, Eddie Should Have Looked @ the BIGGER Picture...






REED

 

There are some precedents, Cleveland Williams came to England and was due to fight a guy called Dick Richardson in a rematch.

Richardson wasn't a ball of shit, in fact he had a very respectable physique and a very respectable record.

But he wasn't World Class, and Williams would have beaten him.

Instead, Williams refused to to take the fight after he had crossed the Atlantic, and said "there were demons involved".

Williams, the ultimate muscle-man, was portrayed as a muscular coward peeping out from under his bedsheets by the British press.

Of course, this was a long time ago, social media didn't exist, it was harder to maintain the memory of the event and people weren't hooked into body-image issues like they are today.

But it did happen.

 

Chronic WORRIERS Suffer Mild Panic Attacks as Well...

A Co-Worker of REED's Complained of Shortness of Breath for Like 2-3 Weeks Straight and Eventually Went to the Emergency Room...Was Given Every Breathing Treatment Imaginable and None Worked...So Then, the Dr. Gave him an Anxiety Pill and Within Minutes, the Shortness of Breath was Gone...

Dude is Still Prescribed to the Pills Today...








REED

 

It's a fair point I guess, from the fan's perspective, especially the casual fan's perspective, seeing big dark skinned Greek god Joshua getting pulverised by a flabby little absurd looking snickers bar eating Mexican was pretty extreme, and yeah there's no unseeing that. He also showed about as much heart as Andrew Golota imo.

But what about just the networks and providers? I mean, that would be pretty unforgivable no, jst bottling it at the last minute? Has anyone ever done that before?

 

Nobody gives a shit what happened in Golotas dressing room before the Lewis fight. Nobody cares about the injection he took or the panic attack he had after.

I am not sure we should care about Joshua....especially when he DENIES it happened.

Both men would have been visited by the referee and the ring doctor before hand.

Time for people to go on the record here.

I want AJ's father to come out and say something concrete....and for Hearn to be forced to respond to it.

 

What about the NYPD? The venue? They pay extra......for cops to be in attendance, etc.

And then there's people asking for money back......the venue wanting their whack........

He never would have lived it down.......if Lou DiBella can tell Vitali "You are finished in America"..........after the dude lost to a late substiute IN GERMANY then what happens when you actually shit the bed in America in your dressing room?

Man..............it would have been OVER.

His next fight....his first/next fight in the USA would have been in the meat packers Union in fucking Hoboken vs Sonny the Boxcar Champ.

 

It's not Hearns fault AJ can't take a punch on the temple.

 

Anyways, here's Joshuas own response on the matter.

 

Not Sure if it's Been Done @ THIS Level, but Just a Year or So Ago, a Dude Calmly Stepped Out of the Ring and Walked Back to His Dressing Room, Once the Opening Bell Dinged...It's the Fight that Put Efe Ajagba on the Map...Televised Fight and Everything...Curtis Harper, if REED's Not Mistaken...

From a Network, Commission, Provider Perspective, it's Case by Case...If a Fighter ISN'T a Certified Draw Home AND Abroad, He'd Better Go Ahead and Just Suck it Up, Because his Career Could Literally Get BURIED...

But in Joshua's Case, he's ALREADY Huge in the UK, So from That Angle Fuck the U.S...And Eddie Hearn is the One Contractually Bound to DAZN, Not Joshua...Joshua's Network Contract is w/SkySports, Not DAZN, So from That Angle Fuck the Network Too, I'm Not Fighting!...

Joshua COULD Have Recovered from a Last Second Pull Out...Pacquiao and Canelo Could Also...Mainly Because They're COVETED in the States, Yet Have Large Followings EXCLUSIVE of Americans as Well...

REED Couldn't Fathom Any Other Current Fighter Making Such a Power Play Though...







REED

 

True, it's NOT Hearn's Fault...

But REED Guarantees Hearn Knew This PRIOR to the Ruiz Fight...Hell, he Probably Knew it PRIOR to Dillian Whyte Opening that Particular Can of Worms...

When a Promoter KNOWS His Guy Doesn't Have the Best Punch Resistance You Get Him the BIGGEST, Most LUCRATIVE Fight You Can...And Once That Opportunity Presents Itself, You TAKE It...

You Don't MILK Your Shaky Chinned Cash Cow for 20-25mil Here and There When a GUARANTEE of $85mil MINIMUM was on the Table...Joshua Would've Gotten a FAVORABLE % of the PPV Money as Well, On Top of the Guaranteed Amount...Operative Word Being "Would", Because that Ship Has Not Only Sailed, it Hit an Iceberg and SANK...

Leaving the Sparring Story and Alleged Panic Attack Aside, REED STILL Thinks Hearn Mismanaged Joshua...Joshua's 1st Loss Should Have Been for MAX Money, Period...Now, there's a Good Chance he'll NEVER See that Money...Miscalculated, Mismanaged, Same Thing...







REED

 

Joshua might get away with it in the UK. Might. Things have changed over here considerably. People expect the win and they can't tolerate being shown up, especially with the Americans watching.

The downside of the British abandonment of the "Plucky Loser" routine is that while winners get huge approval., losers don't get any.

Haye didn't pull out of the Wlad fight.........his excuses basically ended his career. All his remaining significant fights were based on decidedly local rivalry bullshit.

It's all very sombre over here right now, all very mystified.

The first person to put the boot in was Dillian Whyte, who immediately tweeted "The Drugs Don't work", then said Joshua was using Therapeutic Use Exemptions, then said Joshua wasn't a warrior. He's all over social media laying every charge against Joshua.

I've been mild on the guy.

What I am railing against here, and my posts back it up, is this deliberately murky, deliberately muddying of the waters, disinformation bullshit being spread from within AJ's camp...and I said....it's Hearn that is doing this, I am sure of it.

All these false stories...and it's all to make sure another 80,000 tickets get sold for the rematch........