Rolling Thunder Revue: A Bob Dylan Story

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    Absolutely... no question
     
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    worst song on the whole record
     
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    Sound advice!
     
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    Shit record, agree
     
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    Watched it last night ... unusually good answers from Dylan who is a notoriously unhelpful interview subject

    Good performance footage

    Both Ginsberg and Patti Smith do nothing to improve my generally dismissive opinion of them ... Ratso Sloman, an entertaining writer looks a ridiculous poseur ... Ramblin' Jack Elliot is like a bad joke

    Sharon Stone's story was cute or whatever but really superfluous and unnecessary... Rubin Carter continues to be sanitized, which reveals Scorsese has not done his due diligence (just as "Hurricane" itself revealed the same shortcoming from Dylan himself)

    For fans of Dylan's music, a must see but it's hardly groundbreaking documentary
     
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    It was awful, but critics loved it.
     
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    Agreed.
    Furthermore:
    • Sharon Stone did not join the tour as a teenager - never even met Dylan
    • Dylan never saw KISS at a club show in Queens, NY
    • Mysterious Stefan van Dorp wasnt the original director
    • Jim Gianopulous wasnt the promotor of the Rolling Thunder Revue
    • Congressman Jack Tanner doesn´t exist
     
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    I knew all that except the Stone thing which I foolishly assumed was true

    All that stuff was so unnecessary... it's Renaldo and Clara all over again... an actual documentary would've been nice
     
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    Yeah, she had me fooled too...but she's an actress, so...

    Thing about these retro-documentaries that spring up every now and then is...they get me revisting that particular artist's catalogue.
     
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    And in this particular instance, it is quite the catalog indeed.
     
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    Really don't care to revisit anything past Slow Train Coming though...maybe Infidels, Biograph...
     
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    Definitely
     
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    You should check out Time out of Mind and Oh Mercy has some good songs as well.
     
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    Are you some kind of violin aficionado? Violin sounded great on that record. I thought it was especially effective in Hurricane and One More Cup of Coffee.
     
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    I'm a musician, I have absolute pitch and I know a lot about music. You're not. Deal with it.

    Scarlet Rivera was a poor-to-mediocre violinist who tended to play the same 3 or 4 licks over and over, altered only in relation to the key of the tune. Her pitch was wobbly and often flat. Were she not a striking looking woman who looked good on stage, she'd be an anonymous violin player somewhere and never would've gotten the gig.

    The violin didn't "sound great", you just don't understand what a violin sounds like when it actually "sounds great"... it is an unforgiving instrument and you can't fudge it the way you can a guitar ... the margin of error is perilously narrow, whereas the margin of error with a guitar is large ... there's a million ways to play the guitar "well" or "sound good" ... Violin? There's probably about 10
     
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    Sounded fine to me
     
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    Violin is a shit instrument, imo.
    Just fuckin sad or sorrowful-sounding.
     
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    I know but that's because you don't know any better ... I'm not saying you're a bad person for that.

    There's a reason why Scarlet Rivera never found herself "in demand" after her brief membership in Dylan's entourage ... she's not particularly good at her instrument
     
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    Same with the Saxophone: fuck off.
     
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    It's an instrument that has to be played really well to be good... there's hardly any instrument that sounds more horrible when it is played bad

    I've never loved it in a rock and roll context and even in bluegrass, better keep quiet until it's your turn
     
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    Depends on the sax... Tenor Sax? Bring it Alto? Sure... Baritone? Not all the time but yeah

    Soprano? About 1% of recorded soprano sax is worth hearing... very narrow gap between good and syrupy horseshit
     
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    Trumpet is the violin of the brass family... the difference between "good" and "not good" is tiny... brutally demanding instrument and if your pitch isn't ON, forget it
     
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    I love sorrowful trumpet
     
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    Street legal is mostly tenor sax
     
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    I like pensive, uncertain Trumpet
     
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    Trumpet and Violin are tough because so much of sounding correct pitches is in the hands of the player ... no frets on a violin and a small misstep in bowing will create a screeching sound; the valves on a trumpet alter the pitch being played but that initial pitch has to be made by the trumpeter

    A sax player can affect pitch by blowing excessively hard and/or shaking the instrument but basically he/she just has to get their fingers in the right spots and the right note will be played with accurate pitch ... a guitar or piano or harp, as long as the instrument is in tune, you're fine (assuming a typical guitar with frets)
     
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    Yeah!!!
     
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    What are some good examples of this?
     
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    Haha, I don't think there are any ... somebody needs to do it
     
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    Have you heard "bootleg" 14 that was released recently with several alternate takes from BOTT? It was a stripped down version of Rosemary that is pretty cool.
     
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