Plant vs Faggotbutts

He should have already fought Zurdo Ramirez for massive money in Mexico or in Los Angeles and that would have been one of the richest grossing Latino fights in years

 

agREED...

Being Stripped for the Failed Drug Test May Have Contributed to That...Zurdo's a LEGIT, Elite Level Fighter, but REED Thinks Benavidez Could Be SPECIAL..






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Umm... Canelo isn't fighting Plant next, or ever.

 

For the record, I think Benavidez will beat Plant, but it'll be competitive. Caleb has the foot quickness to exploit Benavidez's slow feet.

 

Plant runs in with his hands down and chin stuck straight up in the air wide open = death against someone that really knows what they are doing.

 

Plant's not perfect. You can tell his style is HEAVILY influenced by Roy, and he tries to implement a lot of Roy moves that a top guy like Benavidez or Canelo could exploit.

But, Caleb is talented and can fight, and is generally defensively responsible.

I don't think he's an easy fight for Benavidez nor Canelo.

Plant would beat the shit outta Callum Smith.

 

I like Plant, good fighter. Does need to step up though, as has already been pointed out.

 

I haven't seen enough of Benavidez to really make a call on that one, but yeah I do agree he could give Canelo a lot of problems. I also think he'd beat Smith who is too straight up, but Callum packs a wallop so it could be interesting.

 

Yeah, the ROYisms are There for Sure and NOT Superficially Either...Plant Holds His Left Low Because he's a NATURAL Counter-Puncher Attempting to SUCKER his Opponent Into Leading, ala, RJ...

Plant Has a BIT of a Shoulder Roll Also, When Warranted...

He's NO Easy Out for Anybody @ '68, That's for Sure...






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I couldn't tell if he's any better than Lemieux, but it seems like a good matchup to make. Thoughts?

 

LeMoo is waaaayyyy better than Faggotbutts.

 

Their styles are similar and it would be entertaining for sure, but Lemieux is much better and way more proven

 

No lemieux fan, but hes miles ahead of that euro-german palooka

 

Plant must not like money. With the scratch he would have made off of a Canelo fight, he could have had a home built in Vegas or buy one in Beverly Hills. And wasn't he just married?? This chap is not too bright, I know that much. He wasn't gonna win anyway, and if you are gonna get your ass kicked, you have to get it kicked for the most possible money - if not you a truly an Idiot. Oscar De La Hoya says Caleb Plant will never get another opportunity to face Canelo Alvarez Oscar De La Hoya says Caleb Plant will never get another opportunity to face Canelo Alvarez

 

With Golden Boy promoter Oscar De La Hoya still on the hunt to finalize Canelo Alvarez’s next opponent in May, one person it apparently won’t be is 168lb titleholder Caleb Plant. Plant, who just recently won handily, recently said he’s not too interested in taking a Canelo fight at this time, saying he would have to compromise himself by taking the fight on short notice.

Well according to De La Hoya, he has no idea what Plant is talking about since there’s still plenty of time for a full training camp before May 2. Either way, De La Hoya says the ship has sailed on Plant, who will never get another chance to fight the Mexican star.

“I don’t understand what (Plant’s) talking about, short notice. I mean there’s still, what, nine weeks left? What short notice is that?!” De La Hoya commented. “The truth of the matter is that if you’re gonna not want to fight Canelo and we’re considering you, then it’s over, that’s it. It’s over. You will not have that opportunity ever again, because there’s so many champions out there, in his weight division — actually he can choose from three weight divisions.

“So if he’s saying ‘I’ll wait my turn,’ no, we’re telling you to fight him now — it’s the opportunity of your life!

“This is boxing, anything can happen but opportunities don’t come often. It’s a once in a lifetime opportunity and he’s passing it up?! I’m sorry.”

 

Maybe Plant wants to give Mike Lee a rematch.

 

As I indicated, he is not very bright. I am sure he is a nice enough kid but he doesn't realize what he just turned his back on and the kind of financial security it would have brought him and his family. Boxing has a short shelf life and is about one thing and one thing only and that is Money. He can have five careers and will never approach the kind of scratch he would have made with one fight with Alvarez who is the biggest financial draw in all of the sports world. The payout he would receive with Benavides will be chump change compared to Canelo Alvarez.

 

So Plant said thanks but no thanks without even seeing an offer? Is that what happened?

 

No. Read what I posted. I read the same thing you did if you read the article from GB I copied and pasted here. any offer to fight Canelo is far more than he will make fighting any four or five other guys.

 

Caleb Plant DECLINING a Date w/Canelo is the Strangest Shit REED's Heard Since Jermall Charlo Fell Off the Grid After Being Offered $7 Mil, No Options, to Face Demetrius Andrade...

That Said, Dela Is Overreacting and Being a BITCH in REED's Opinion...So Hypothetically, if Plant Were to Defeat Callum Smith and/or David Benavidez There's STILL No Chance of a Canelo Bout EVER Being Offered to Him Again???...Of Course There's STILL a Chance...

To Be Clear, Plant SHOULD Take the Fight, But Dela is Coming Off as a Disgruntled OWNER, Pissy That a Piece of Property, a DISPOSABLE Part Isn't Giving Into His Demands...

Being a Former Fighter Himself it Sucks to See Dela Showing an ELITIST Attitude Towards Another Fighter...King, Arum, Hearn, Sure...That's HOW They Roll...But a Former Fighter???...







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Plant and Charlo turning down these offers tells me that their advisor played a roll in that.

 

For the 59th Time, their 'Advisor' ISN'T as Hands On as You LIKE To Believe He Is...He RARELY If Ever Even Attends His Own Shows Bruh...

If PBC Fighters Are AMBITIOUS, Cool...If They LACK Ambition, Cool...

DAZN Has the Middleweight Division SEWN Up for the Foreseeable Future...It Would Take SEVERAL PBC Bouts for Charlo to Earn $7mil on the PBC Side of the Street...If Charlo WANTED the Andrade Fight Haymon Wouldn't Cock Block That @ All...

If Caleb Plant WANTED a Canelo Fight, Haymon Wouldn't Cock Block That Either...This Has EVERYTHING to Do w/Charlo and Plant, NOT Their "Advisor"...







REED

 

Why are you so sure this is the case? Because he says so?

 

That's beyond idiotic by plant

 

That's Just It, Al Haymon Doesn't "SAY" Shit...EVER...

He Can BARELY Be Bothered to Attend His OWN Events and Has NOfuckingDESIRE to Be Famous, Whatsoever...He MANAGES His Stable and Hires Independent Promoters, Usually Richard Schaefer's Ringstar Promotions or TGB Promotions to Do the Ground Work...

Point Being, He's NOT as Hands On as People ASSume...

Anyways, Jermall Charlo ISN'T a Top Tier PBC Guy...Pac, Spence, Wilder...Shit, Even Danny and Porter are More Valued Commodities in the PBC Stable...Mikey Was Until He Signed w/DAZN...Tank Is Also, Among Others...And w/That Established, Charlo's Value SHITS on Caleb Plant's Within the Same Stable...

As Evidenced by Wilder-Fury This Weekend, Haymon DOES NOT Cock Block His Fighters from Garnering MAX Purses...And the Joint Venture btwn ESPN/FOX, Resulting in Wilder-Fury II, Will Eventually Result in Spence-Crawford...

PBC Has NO Leverage Whatsoever @ '60 and Only a DEGREE of It @ '68...EVERY Meaningful Middleweight is w/DAZN, Except for Charlo...And Canelo is THE Cash Cow from '60-'75...No Bigger Fight for ANYBODY in That Realm Than Canelo...Do You REALLY Think Haymon ISN'T Aware of This Also???...

Other Than Sheer DISLIKE for Al Haymon and Subjective Perceptions of WHAT he Represents, There's NATHAN Substantive Suggesting He's Cock Blocking Charlo and Plant from Career High PayDays...Haymon Would Get his Managerial Cut ANYWAYS and Wouldn't Have to Hire a Promoter Either...

Where's the Incentive for Haymon "Advising" 2nd, 3rd, 4th Tier PBC Fighters to BYPASS Career High Purses for 1-Off Bouts???...There ISN'T Any...







REED

 

Put it This Way, Canelo vs. David Benavidez Could EASILY Be Made...But Dela KNOWS This as Well, Which is Why the Offer Won't Be Made Anytime Soooooon...

To REED's Point, Benavidez is on a Similar Level as Charlo (Arguably HIGHER) in Terms of PBC Importance...Benavidez is OBVIOUSLY Above Plant in that Same Regard...w/Out Trying to Go Overboard, Benavidez Could Be a Top 10-15 Pound for Pounder by 2021, w/the Right Fights...

But Like REED Said, if Canelo Wanted to Fight Benavidez in May, That Bout Would Be Happening and NOBODY Would Say or Think Shit about Al Haymon, Would They???...

Doesn't Make a LICK of Sense to Be Fine w/Canelo-Benavidez, Yet Cock Block Canelo-Plant or Andrade-Charlo...








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Nothing you wrote qualifies as evidence that Haymon doesn't cock-block his fighters.

Given people will generally prefer more money over less, the only logical conclusion is that the promoter or "advisor," not the fighter, is the one standing in the way of these fights.

 

EVERYTHING REED Wrote Contains LOGIC and EVIDENCE of Haymon ALLOWING His A-List Fighters to Indulge in High Dollar, High Profile Bouts NOT Fully or Solely Controlled by PBC...

So WHYtheFUCK Would Haymon Get in the Way of Lower Tiered PBC Guys Doing Likewise???...You've CREATED a Bogus Narrative In Your Mind, Substantiated by NATHAN More Than Your (Already) Off-Base Narrative...

The EASIEST Way Out All This Would Be for Charlo and Plant to Simply Say "I Was ADVISED Against Taking This Fight", Yet They HAVEN'T, Have They???...Haymon COULDN'T Care Less About Press or Perception (Positive, Negative or Otherwise), Hence, Few if Any Documented Interviews w/Him Exist...

Floyd EXAGGERATES His "Partnership" w/Haymon and PBC Every Chance He Gets, Yet Haymon DOESN'T Give a Fuck About That Either...He Definitely WOULDN'T Give a Fuck if Charlo and/or Plant Used Him as the Reason for NOT Taking the Andrade and Canelo Fights...But Again, They HAVEN'T, Have They???...

Instead of Saying "I've Been Advised NOT To", Charlo LITERALLY Hasn't Said a Fucking Word Since Being Offered $7mil to Face Andrade...And Plant Said He Needed More Downtime In Between Training Camps, Instead of Taking the EASY Out of Blaming his 'Advisor'...

Every Now and Then, Things Really ARE On the Surface Doub...







REED

 

The Wilder/Fury example is an obvious exception - it is rare that a fight is big enough financially for two networks.

Are there any examples of PBC working with DAZN? There may be - I can't think of any though.

 

Mikey was Under PBC's Banner Once his Top Rank Contract Expired...Literally, Mikey Worked on a Fight-By-Fight Basis Every Step of the Way Until Recently Signing w/DAZN...

Andy Ruiz's Scenario is VERY Similar to Plant's...Ruiz Knew of Big Baby Miller Being Ruled Out of Joshua's U.S. Debut, Reached Out to Hearn via Social Media for Consideration, KO'ed Dimitrenko and was in the Ring w/Joshua 6 Weeks Later on DAZN...

Instead of Cock Blocking Ruiz-Joshua II or "Advising" Andy to Report an "Injury" to Nullify the Immediate RE Clause (& Keep the Other 3 Title Belts Under PBC Control), Haymon Sat Back and Got His Manager's Cut of THE Biggest Payday of Andy Ruiz's Life...

PBC Fighters are Allowed to Be as AMBITIOUS or RELUCTANT as They Choose to Be...We've Seen the Former w/Wilder, Spence and Others...We've Seen the Latter w/Keith Thurman & it Appears to Be the Case with Jermall Charlo and Caleb Plant as Well, Sadly....






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