Wilder v Fury II

Well???
You heard him, faggot-hipster HOE!!!

Do it!!!!

NOWWWWWW!!

 

Not that I'm saying Wilder isn't brave, he clearly is imo, I agree with McDogg he's absolutely doing this for the money. He has fucking nowhere to go without the rematch clause. I don't blame him for taking it either, even though I think he will get a pasting. It's a business at the end of the day and you have to maximise your earnings, there's no pension fund looking after you when you retire so go get your cashish.

 

Yeah and he risks being sparked by some lesser fighter for half the money.

He's still got a shot, all things considered.

 

Exactly. I'm slightly worried Fury doesn't take the fight seriously and walks into something. He's clearly the better fighter by a million miles but Wilder does have that equaliser and Fury is such a head case you can't rule him out from spazzing it all away.

 

Exactly

He’d have to be a complete idiot not to trigger the rematch clause ... that’s where the real money is

 

There's an outside chance i think in my mind that Fury, since he's not used to being favored in big matches, that he shows up FAT for the 3rd match, almost like Ruiz Jr. but more like Tits Witherspoon in the re-match against Bonecrusher Smith, a man he won every round against in the first match. And so Wilder just windmills his way to the stunning first round KO victory ala Bonecrusher

 

I really wish the 'Bonecrusher' monicker had been adopted by a better fighter. It's one of those nicknames that's both cheesy and badass at the same time. I remember seeing a Commonwealth title fight featuring some Aussie guy who had the nickname 'The Titanium Australian', can't remember his name but he got blasted in one round. I hate seeing great nicknames wasted.

 

Frank Bruno should have taken the Bonecrusher name from Smith, until he got Bonecrusher'd in the 10th round and as we all know, thanks to Harry Carpenter, Bruno's career was immediately OVER after that KO

 

True, But Let's Not Pretend EVERY Defeated Champion Exercises EVERY Rematch Clause Either...

There was a Rematch Clause After Fury-Wilder I and Countless Other Championship Fights...It's Par for the Course for High Profile Champions to Have a Built-In Rematch Clause, Yet Immediate RE's Certainly AREN'T 100% Across the Boxing Board...

This is a BALLSY Move 1st and Foremost...The Financial Aspect is Secondary...






REED

 

Honestly, REED Doesn't See Much "Risk" for Wilder Aside from Fury...

If They Fought TOMORROW, REED Favors Wilder Over Joshua, By KO....Andy Ruiz Would Be a Tougher Proposition, but as REED's Said On Video, Ruiz is MORE Than Half a Foot Shorter than Tyson Fury...

It's Not Fury's Height, Length, Boxing Acumen, Size or Mobility that Troubled Wilder, it's ALL Of It, it's Tyson Fury HIMSELF...Fury Wiping His Ass w/Wilder DOESN'T Equate to Open Season on Dude for Every Other Heavyweight...Not Even Close...

Even in the RE, Wilder Took a Lot of CLEAN Shots and Despite 2 Trips to the Canvas Finished the Fight on his FEET...

Post-Ruiz, There's a Lingering Sense of VULNERABILITY in Joshua...REED Doesn't Get that Same Vibe in Wilder, Post-Fury...







REED

 

Neither guy's reputation was seriously damaged after the first fight though, if anything they were enhanced. They could both afford to take different paths. Hell, Fury got a multi-million dollar deal with ESPN out of it. Not the case after the rematch, Wilder's reputation had taken an absolute shellacking here, especially with all of the excuses. He's got no title and has become a meme, shit even SNL were piling in on the guy, rightly or wrongly. Without the rematch clause he'd be in the 'who-needs-him' club. He HAD to activate the rematch clause, otherwise he'd be nowhere near the big money.

 

Then We'd Have a 4thogy....





REED

 

https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/77539

 

That's amazing.

 

disagREED...

Most Fightbeater's Don't RATE Wilder's Resume as Is, Aside from Fury and Ortiz 2x Each...So You REALLY Think PBC Couldn't Keep Wilder Relevant w/Highlight Reel KO's in the Interim, as Fury and Joshua Do What They Do???...To the Degree Wilder Became Mainstream, it was on the Strength of his KO's and Knockdowns in His TV Ads...

Wilder's Only Getting 40% of the Fury 3 Take as Is, Which is OBVIOUSLY More Than Any Single Fight Purse He Could Make Elsewhere, But He's @ a Point He Could Make Up the Difference in 2-3 Showcase KO's...

And Fury Didn't Jump On That ESPN Deal Right After Wilder I Either...It Wasn't Until He was Presented w/a 50-50 Contract for an Immediate RE w/Wilder That Top Rank Surfaced in the Mix...And Fury's Rep Took a BIT of a Hit as He Faced Schwarz and Wallin, Bob Arum PADDING the Less than Stellar Live Crowds, in Lieu of Wilder...






REED

 

Wilder had a belt though, that was a major selling point to the casual, he was also unbeaten and like you say he was knocking people silly left, right and centre. This was his biggest fight and more people than ever saw him get his arse kicked in a humiliating fashion. You know as well as I do Reed how much stock the casual fan puts into that aura of invincibility. The guy was straight up embarrassed in there, and the excuses only made things worse.

More to my initial point - what big name heavyweight is going to be queueing up to fight a guy as dangerous as Wilder for no belt? I agree with you by the way, I still think Wilder beats AJ and he's still the most dangerous guy in the division with that power, but he's too much risk with too little reward without that belt for any name heavyweight.

He needs the Fury III fight, he has no other immediate options, let's not forget he's getting on a bit too.

 

On that last point, it's fucking mental to think Fury is the 31-year old and Wilder is the 35-year old when you look at them.

 

That may be all true, my only caveat is that like Mike Tyson, once you get beat once, every fly out there starts thinking he's a Honey Bee and that you're a flower whose pollen he can raid.

Guys get a bit bolder, Wilder gets a bit less , well, Wild, and next thing you know guys are lining up to try their luck.

It does happen. Sure, there'll be a Seldon for every Ruddock, but Wilder would do well to keep dudes honest.

He's still got a shot vs Fury, I mean, Fury could be drunk right now for all we know.

 

tinkers jade fast. He was 25 when he beat Klitaschko and he looked ancient then too.

These people literally are Jack Russell terriers of humanity. They cannot walk anywhere. Everything, talking, eating, fucking, fighting, living, dying.........is done at 100 mph.

They can't turn down a fight or a verbal argument, they get riled over everything, they all suffer from depression or what have you....it's up and down, like a Sine Wave, with them.

I went to Primary School with a load of them and they all looked fucked at the age of 12.

 

"First Man On Earth" .

First man to leave the ring too.

 

I agree with the fast living thing, with the exception of fighting. I remember an interview with Tyson Fury when he was fighting on ITV in his early days, where he made a point about avoiding any of the typical gypsy confrontations to settle disputes. Plus you'd have to be a complete fucking mentalist to challenge the Fury's anyway. The Boogeyman probably looks under his bed for John Fury, the guy's terrifying .

 

John Fury had a brief career and got laid out a couple of times, let me check.

 

Boxrec is taking too long to respond at the present time. Enjoy this photo of John Fury in the meantime.

 

GAY AS FUCK.


Some arms on him though.

 

He did, he was nothing more than a journeyman as a pro from what I understand but he's got quite the reputation as a street fighter. The bloke's a unit and has gouged a dudes eye out, no chance the average gyppo is gonna start something there.

 

KT

 

He did jail time for that and then had the temerity to complain that his neighbours "thought I was trouble".

Not sure what it was over but it must have been something very bad, may have been an abuse case or the like.

Most of these bare knuckle events are done with "Fair Play" being shown by an impartial coterie of observers who adjudicate the affair.

The one famous historical exception is when Bartley Gorman was set up at the St Legers Day Races in 1975 I believe.

This guy was Nathan Gormans Great-Uncle.

 

I bought Bartley Gormans book and there's a section in it about how he had a pair of brand new red velvet boxing boots for his fight at the races on St Legers day in 1975.

He was attacked by the mob and cut to ribbons and basically beaten half to death.

The blood had run all down his front and into his boots which were cut off his feet.

Weeks later he found his boots and they were were crawling with maggots feasting on the blood that had congealed in his boots.

His palate, the roof of his mouth, had been broken and he said he used to cry himself to sleep at night as he had a morbid fear of pain killers.