Loma tried to win via hippity hopness. Would the Camacho that fought Rosario use his hippity hopness to win here
Its controversial to say given the absurd Loma hype, but I just view the 130-135 Canacho as better than Loma. There isn't a single fighter that Loma has beaten that Hector wouldn't have also beaten. Hector would have wiped his ass with Gary Russell, for example. So its difficult to say, because Camacho was MUCH faster than Loma, and quicker at darting in and out. Camacho was also just a bigger man than Loma in general. Fimo enjoyed a handspeed edge over Loma that he wouldn't have on Camacho. If you watch Camacho-Ramirez, you can't objectively tell me that Loma was better than Hector. I don't give a shit what the TR hype machine says, Camacho was a more dynamic talent than Loma.
If Teofimo doesn't punch as hard as Chapo Camacho may just slap avalanche his way to a wide decision here
I have and i will. Lomachenko is better than Camacho. Way better. Hector "Macho" Camacho survived some tough fights but did so without actually trying to win. Flurry, hold. Flurry, hold.
Way better? Based on what?? Honestly, what?? Name one Loma opponent Camacho would struggle with, let alone lose to. I'll wait all day on that one... Is Loma even a lock over Ramirez, and Rosario? I'd say he's an underdog against Chapo. And considering Ramirez stopped Rosario, and gave Arguello Hell, Loma aint exactly 100% a lock in that one either. Loma is "Way better" than Camacho based on WHAATTT???
Let's compare Camacho and Loma's resumes, shall we? Wins over: Bazooka Limon, Rafael Solis,, JL Ramirez, Edwin Rosario, Vinny Pazienza, Howard Davis, Boza Edwards, Tony Baltazar, Ray Mancini, Greg Haugen. Unbeaten over an entire decade. Note: I left Leonard off his resume of wins for obvious reasons. Versus. Wins over Russell Jr, Rigo, Linares, Walters Campbell, Aannnnd.... it kinda goes off a cliff with a bunch of bums other than them. 14-2 with a loss to Salido. But Loma is "way better," right?? Why? Cause he looked like Roy Jones beating up Jason Sosa and Miguel Marriaga? Yeah, I'm sure Camacho would go life and death with those guys.. Loma way better. Okkkk... Stop making dumbass statements. If you wanna argue Loma is better than Hector, ok ill hear it. But to say "way better" is not rooted in reality at all. Because Loma WISHES he had Hector's resume of wins, and if he did have Hector's resume, ESPN would be putting him above Robinson all time. As you were.
Only mentioning the guy's victories doesn't tell you the whole truth though. Camacho did struggle in several of his fights in his prime (around the time he won his first title). These bouts are usually forgotten since his opponents were unknown - in fact, I only know about them since I'm reading Camacho's biography (published three days ago). Camacho had the speed to look fabulous against slow opponents but a guy with reach gave him trouble - not very different from Loma in fact. At lightweight it would be very close, at super-feather I'd definitely pick Loma with his better skills
Canacho only looked good against slow opponents with no reach, huh? Howard Davis might disagree with that idiotic statement. The same version of Davis that drew with a young Mel Taylor got shut out over 10 by Camacho. Camacho made him look like a totally inept sloth, even though he clearly was far from slow. If Loma shut out Howard Davis his groupies would cream their pants. Any other false statements you or Whiskey wanna make?
I wonder what happened in x personnal life for him to be do aggressive lately??. Seems like in all of his posts, he has to insult someone. Get a grip man
Personal life is beautiful. Fightbeat annoys me because it's become the opposite of where old time fighters are overrated. It's a place where heavy recency bias exists. Not to worry though, this place isn't my main forum anymore. I'll be back to posting regularly on Eastside's Classic Section on Monday, and returning to only post here following live fights.
I tried to. The forum fuckin cried for me to come back, and I only returned because REED DM'd me and asked me to come back. If you disappeared, think anyone would give a fuck?
I was one of them who hoped for you to return because I do think you add a great value to this site with your knowledge and passion. I find it curious though that you would only want to discuss with people who agree with you. There might be a recency bias here (I guess that mainly means me) but I have always tried to reason my takes with examples and facts. We disagree a lot, but so what? Isn't exchanging views the whole point? But if you prefer to talk with people who already have the same take, it's up to you of course
Here's a recent topic from eastside: "Would Mike Tyson have been able to take Povetkin's power shots without getting knocked out?"
It has nothing to do with his personal life. He hates or at least feels Loma is severely overrated and he just doesn’t get why everyone else doesn’t see it. I don’t know if the hate has to do with Loma getting so much love or the fact that his beloved hero Crawford doesn’t. The irony in this whole point of view is that Crawford is the guy who should actually be getting hit with overrated criticism, not Loma. I’ve more than once mentioned the things Loma does that makes him stand out as a great and X doesn’t address a single one. Why? Because his whole Loma overrated argument is emotional and based on feelings. It has zero basis in fact. Is Loma overrated? It can at least be argued he is slightly, and although I would argue against it, I believe it is ridiculous to claim he isn’t even a great talent.
