If Muhammad Ali were a foreigner that didn't speak English. Is he still the greatest?

What made him the greatest? His fists or his mouth? Answer is combination of both. And answer to the thread title is no.

 

Greatest what?

Heavyweight of all time? Yes, he's rightfully considered that based on his resume, and peak performances.

He's not P4P the greatest ever. I mean, not to real fans at least, casuals think he's the greatest ever.

Who do YOU consider the greatest heavyweight ever?

 

If Andrew Golota were Black or Latino, Instead of a Polish Stutterer, Would he have Resonated w/employee???...




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Top 3 greatest heavyweights are Ali,Lewis,Tyson. Not in order. Honorable mention to holyfield and Louis.

 

Moderator. This child is enticing trash talking.

 

How???...

Was Golota Polish? Yes...Did Golota Stutter? Yes?...Would YOU Give a Fuck About Golota if he were Black or Latino???...Hell No...

Are You On Your PERIOD This Week or Something???...Stop Being SENSITIVE...





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better question is, if golota had gonads instead of ovaries would he have become a world champion?

 

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There seems to be a racially motivated agenda behind the topic.

 

Of course I wouldn't. Golota was to us what black panther was to you.

 

Really now? How so? I simply asked if Ali didn't have his personality would he still be adored 50 years later.

 

"Polish Panther" Would've Been a Good Nickname, Actually...





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I never met anybody who said Black Panther was a gifted but amazingly repetitive disappointment with a tendency to break the rules and look for a way out when in trouble. Ever.

If Golota had a fraction of the application of Wlad or the toughness of Vitali he'd have been a consensus #1 HW as early as 1996.

That guy had talents unseen from ANY European HW at the time, the size, the jab, the movement and yes the durability and chin. He didn't burst open at the first sight of a punch or fall apart physically when he got hit. Physically, he had the lot.

At 6'4" and 235lb with that jab and more than enough in his right hand......he could have gone a lot further. He had Bowe beaten twice and he had Grant all over the shop and he could have given Lewis what Vitali did. And he did what nobody since Tua had done with Ruiz, until Haye did it, namely slap Captain Grab A Ho onto the mat a few times.

It was all in his head where the problems were.

As For Ali, if he had been from Poland or Ireland or Timbuktu he'd never have been the fighter he was and it wouldn't have had to do with speaking English. Ali became what he did because of the unique blend of where and when he came from and what he was.

He can't roar out of Zanzibar and become The GOAT because he just fucking can't.

It's Miami 5th Street Gym, it's Jim Crow, it's Angelo Dundee, it's Don King it's CBS it's the 1960 Olympics it's the Civil Rights Movement and the rapacious nature of American capitalism and it's the spirit of the times and it's his Irish Great Grandad and everything else that makes him what he is, when he is, how he is.

Ali is like Planet Earth. A whole lot of shit has to come together JUST RIGHT for Ali to be Ali. Some of it comes down to Ali, but a lot of it does not.

There's no WAY simply NO. WAY. that Ali goes to Zaire in 1974 without being who, what, and WHEN he was.

Totally unique and beyond replication. He wouldn't be the Greatest if he'd been BORN in 1980 much less retire then. Cassius Clay born in Louisville in 1980 does not become The Greatest.

 

I think he'd have made some noise. But it takes certain things to make a man walk on the moon.

Ali wouldn't have even taken the Foreman fight in 1974 if he was British.

Let's say he is British, wins the title with a KO of Liston, smashes them all until 1971 and then drops a decision to an inspired Frazier in 1971, wins a couple, loses to Norton and then sees Foreman destroy both of those guys.

NO WAY he goes down to Africa to take that fight.

But he had to walk that walk as an American who had been robbed, as he saw it, of his title, 4 years prior and for whom a lot was on the line, that was beyond mere boxing.

He had to get it on. There was, like the Rocky Movie says, No Easy Way Out.

And there's probably NO WAY that Don King offers him $5m to do it either. Instead Foreman and Saddler would have done what Don King enjoyed doing with the likes of Tyson vs McNeeley or Brewster vs Golota/Meehan/Lyakhovic or Holmes vs Cooney, they'd have put togther some GWH extravaganza of shite.

 

yes