Chisora vs Usyk Halloween/Saturday October 31st

Yeah, I am getting too old for these late nights. I should be in bed scanning Twitter.

 

He will catch Fury leaning in and Fury's weakness is that he likes to act the goof. So it's there for Usyk if he is smart and Fury obliges him.

What worries me is that Chisora is shot but he still made the first 3 rounds a very close affair, just off pure natural HW strength.

217 is tiny by todays standards, it was small 20 years ago never mind today.

 

Usyk would clown wilder

 

Steve Bunce:

"I didn't like the last 20 seconds of the final round. There was a far away look on Dereks face".

 

Usyk has zero chance against the likes of Fury or Joshua. At his age though it's not like it would make sense to go back to Cruiser or fight some other top 20 guy. May as well cash out.

 

He will clown him because Wilder can't bull people, he can only KO them.

Sounds stupid but sometimes you need to be able to bull guys, rough them up.

Wilder will lash out and Usyk has one talent and that's making those long punches miss.

It has to be RIGHT on the money and no flailing, otherwise he finds a way out of it.

And he's not afraid to stand in front of a guy, tuck up and fight it out.

I didn't see one clinch in there all night.

 

British radio haven't offered a scorecard but the quoted George Groves who had it 9-3.

Remember, official Judges had Chisora 1 round away from a majority draw.

 

The REAL big baby is the best body puncher in the heavyweight division

 

Chisora won a round or 2 tops

 

Nonsense

 

Prime Haye would have khtfko Usyk

 

The mongrel trying to justify his shitty prediction

 

Usyk has never blown me away. Never. Not even a cruiser.

Don't get me wrong, he IS a quality fighter, worthy of top 10 P4P - but my God I never got the mythical matchups w/him against guys like Holyfield and Marciano at cruiserweight. He'd get smashed by those guys.... and by guys much lesser.

 

I think he could beat marciano and he'd shut out wilder

 

The latter can't fight a lick, so sure.

The former? I sure as Hell cannot see it.

 

What if Marciano had a broken arm and a broken ankle?

 

Which prediction, that usyk would win?

 

Usyk Overcame a ROUGH 2-3 Initial Rounds, Chisora Became VISIBLY Tired and Then it Became Usyk's Fight...

Usyk Did What he Had to Do and PASSED the Proverbial "Litmus Test", But Certainly NOT Impressively...Chisora CAN Be Hurt, Dropped and Stopped; It's NO Secret...Yet the ONLY Times Usyk Seemed to Somewhat Rattle Chisora were Mainly Due to FATIGUE...

Usyk MOVED Well, Showed Requisite TOUGHNESS But Dealt w/Chisora's Early Doors Pressure POORLY...Almost Like a Damsel in Distress...How 'Bout a Southie Jab to Keep Chisora from Walking "Thru the Front Door" as he Did???...

But Again, Usyk MAINTAINED Composure, Didn't Come Unglued and Clearly WON the Fight...

He's NOT a Legit Threat to Win a Heavyweight Title Though; Not as Looooooooooooong as Fury and Joshua are the Beltholders...Ruiz Would Be an Interesting Fight Too...& Considering Just How MANY Looping, Telegraphed Right Hands a TIRED Chisora Landed, REED Doesn't GET How Anyone Can Immediately DISMISS Wilder's Chances of Beating Usyk...

There Wasn't as Much POSING, but Usyk Reminded REED of a MORE Combative, Stronger Version of Chris Byrd...There Came a Point Where Chisora was Toooooooooooo TIRED to Be a Threat Anymore, Yet Usyk LACKED the Power to DO Shit About It, Other Than Pick and Peck, ala Byrd, to a Decision Victory...





REED

 

Yeah i guess you could argue he didn't want to take any needless chances since he was winning. The problem is you never can know with certainty if you're ahead. Two judges had it 7-5. after all.

He doesn't have the power to finish a tired opponent, or he took a big gamble hoping the judges had it right. Either way it's not a good sign.

 

USYK is just too clunky. He's a good mover in a limited defensive sense and seems tough but a guy like Holyfield should beat him handily. Especially at 190 as there's just no way Usyk can make 190 without hurting himself. At 200+, he's just not smooth enough.

But Holyfield is a rarefied air.

I think he'd beat guys like Tiozzo, DM, Richard Hall, Carl Thompson, Chris Eubank, Al Cole, Imamu Mayfield, Virgil Hill at 200, Uriah Grant, Chizz, Jirov etc. Might be really competitive against Toney as Toney is 5'10" and might just not have the tools.

He'd beat Haye at 200lbs. No doubt in my mind about it. If Haye didn't get him he'd be reduced to swiping and shit and Haye gassed fast at that weight.

And what I've seen of Usyk he seems physically tough. The reason he's so awkward in his movments is because he's got no waist. His trunk is uniform.

He'd beat Byrd at 210 lbs. Byrd can't hurt him.

 

Asked if he thought he had won, Derek Chisora replied: "Yes 100%. I had a few rounds away but I was pushing the pace. But the judges saw it a different way.

"I'm just disappointed with the result, when you are in there you take shots, it's a fight game.

"He did very well. I am gutted. In the heavyweight game you have to fight and not box. I gave a couple of rounds away."

And in a general message, Chisora added: "Be kind to each other. We're all struggling, The world is bad out there right now

 

That 115-113 was a joke. Chisorah won the first 3 rounds, or put it another way, the ONLY rounds you could be scoring for him were to be found in 1-5.

He'd have to have won all 5 of the first 5 to get that 113.

I thought he started very well. His issue wasn't that he didn't KNOW what to do, it was whether he could keep it up. He struggled later on as he's so uneconomical that once he gets tired, he depletes very quickly. It's a forgotten skill on how to tuck up, roll in, expend no gas and ONLY let your hands go when you KNOW you are getting something to land.

Derek was burning through gas like nobody business and his corner kept screaming at him "you've got loads of gas".

What they should have said was "Derek, high guard, WALK in, catch as many on the gloves and the top of the head, and hit only whats there to be hit".

Instead they were telling him he wasn't tired, to keep it up, etc.

I understand the reverse psychology but I could hear Chisora breathing in his corner and it sounded like a hippo farting underwater.

 

Chisora has been very good in the last two years, he is a difficult foe for boxer types and only Fury has ever beaten him easily, so having a hard fight against him is definitely no shame.

That said, I agree it is difficult to see Usyk beating the best heavyweights. His punch bothered Chisora less than I thought. He probably does best with the slow, lumbering types and he might beat Povetkin but Fury, Joshua and Wilder are out of his reach.

Does this mean Usyk wasn't all that as a cruiser either? Not IMO. He just loses a lot of his game when his power means less.

What this does mean is that Usyk should be quickly removed from any p4p list. He is a heavyweight and not nearly the best, thus he has no place up there

 

Another thought - Usyk seems to be one of those slow-starters (Michael Spinks being their patriarch). Against Huck he did go all out, but with Briedis, Bellew etc Usyk has taken his time. After about four rounds this fight was pretty easy for him

 

Yeah but does Joshua give you 4 rounds? Does Fury? And if they do, what shape are you in?

I think he has a snipers chance vs Joshua and Fury, because both of them, for vastly different reasons, make mistakes that involve leaving their ass hanging in the air.

Fury because he's a fool trying to impress Molly Murphy at ringside, and AJ because he has moments of astounding involuntary ineptitude.

But these are fleeting gaps. AJ usually tightens it up and produces his own quality, ditty Fury.

So where does this leave Usyk? On his ass, sooner or later, I guess, unless he buys that winning lottery ticket in the midst of an early fray.

I reiterate, I can see a path to victory for Usyk, it's just narrow.

Also Helenius and Chisora should settle their differences now....it's TIME to put the record right.

 

Usyk can definitely beat Wilder. I'd expect him to dominate and stop Wilder. Joshua is robotic and could be outboxed. I'd take Usyk there, much better footwork. Fury is the biggest problem and probably too big. It would probably be a decision win for Fury but I wouldn't be surprised if Usyk was able to beat him. I'm not saying Usyk is Ali, I just don't rate Wilder or Joshua.

 

say the WBOgus title gets vacated. who wins if usyk fights dubois?

 

Let's see how DuBois does versus "Common Opponent" Joyce.

 

joyce is getting splattered

 

Amazing the difference a camera angle can made