2 version of the same fighter

Discussion in 'General Boxing Discussion' started by BOSS, Nov 24, 2020.

  1. BOSS

    BOSS TBD

    Joined:
    Apr 12, 2010
    Messages:
    20,308
    Likes Received:
    1,650
    Gender:
    Female
    Most notable example is young and old foreman because both versions were far enough apart and both successful.

    Now don't start listing a prime and shot version because this is not what this is...

    Any other examples?
     
  2. BOSS

    BOSS TBD

    Joined:
    Apr 12, 2010
    Messages:
    20,308
    Likes Received:
    1,650
    Gender:
    Female
    Another great example

    Wlad up until Brewster. Offensive machine.

    Wlad post Brewster . Hugging jabber.
     
  3. REEDsART

    REEDsART MATCHMAKER

    Joined:
    Jun 15, 2003
    Messages:
    57,748
    Likes Received:
    4,278
    Location:
    CURTIS COKES' Birthplace...
    Andre Ward
    Hector Camacho Sr.
    Marco Antonio Barrera (to a Lesser Degree)






    REED:Hammer
     
    Jesus of montreal likes this.
  4. Xplosive

    Xplosive X-MOD Bad Motherfucker

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2003
    Messages:
    55,491
    Likes Received:
    13,171
    Location:
    Your girl's crib
    REED beat me to it with Barrera.
     
  5. Jesus of montreal

    Jesus of montreal WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

    Joined:
    Jan 5, 2006
    Messages:
    12,921
    Likes Received:
    2,103
    Always maintained that this was a myth
     
    Azazel, D MAN and Double L like this.
  6. Jesus of montreal

    Jesus of montreal WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

    Joined:
    Jan 5, 2006
    Messages:
    12,921
    Likes Received:
    2,103
    Glen johnson to a certain extent. Turned from a happy loser journey man to a never say die world class fighter
     
  7. Ugotabe Kidding

    Ugotabe Kidding WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

    Joined:
    Dec 8, 2002
    Messages:
    17,162
    Likes Received:
    1,714
    Home Page:
    Lennox before and after Manny.

    Similar change to Wlad but yo a lesser extent.

    Talking about Mannies, Pacquiao is arguable too
     
  8. Double L

    Double L Book Reader

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2003
    Messages:
    28,585
    Likes Received:
    1,809
    The thing with MAB is overblown....a myth perpetuated by Lampley.

    MAB could and would always box. He was aggressive. But he never stopped being aggressive.
     
    Jesus of montreal likes this.
  9. Double L

    Double L Book Reader

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2003
    Messages:
    28,585
    Likes Received:
    1,809
    Hopkins. Executioner vs. B-Hop. Early at 160 he was an executioner. Later on, he was more of a stinker.

    Winky Wright.
     
  10. Xplosive

    Xplosive X-MOD Bad Motherfucker

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2003
    Messages:
    55,491
    Likes Received:
    13,171
    Location:
    Your girl's crib
    BOSS clearly stated that prime version vs older versions don't count.

    Hopkins didn't become a stinker because he changed his style. His style never changed. He simply got older, and slowed down, and as a result his style became more dull/methodical.
     
    Last edited: Nov 25, 2020
    BOSS likes this.
  11. Erratic

    Erratic "Twinkle Toes" McJack

    Joined:
    Aug 14, 2003
    Messages:
    9,078
    Likes Received:
    890
    Occupation:
    Professional Bum
    Home Page:
    Wasn’t Saad more of a boxer who used his legs more and was more defensive before he became so exciting? I know I’ve read some articles where they said he was different in his early Philly days
     
    Sweet Pea likes this.
  12. Jesus of montreal

    Jesus of montreal WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

    Joined:
    Jan 5, 2006
    Messages:
    12,921
    Likes Received:
    2,103
    Yes heard this story also. Supposedly got robbed and change his style
     
  13. LOKDIGGY

    LOKDIGGY Leap-Amateur

    Joined:
    Apr 29, 2018
    Messages:
    379
    Likes Received:
    157
    Gender:
    Male
    Lennox prior to Manny Steward was terrible


    Lemmon vs Lemmon
     
  14. Double L

    Double L Book Reader

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2003
    Messages:
    28,585
    Likes Received:
    1,809
    Disagree. He was much more exciting and more fearsome.
     
  15. whiskey

    whiskey Czarcasm

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2002
    Messages:
    47,235
    Likes Received:
    5,116
    Hagler used to be more of a boxer but got the shit end of the stick in a few decisions so became more aggressive.
     
  16. Jesus of montreal

    Jesus of montreal WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

    Joined:
    Jan 5, 2006
    Messages:
    12,921
    Likes Received:
    2,103
    I don't believe this story, even though its part of hagler mythology. Bat a fee fights (the hearns one comes to mind, he always was way more of a boxer than a brawler)
     
  17. Erratic

    Erratic "Twinkle Toes" McJack

    Joined:
    Aug 14, 2003
    Messages:
    9,078
    Likes Received:
    890
    Occupation:
    Professional Bum
    Home Page:
    Hagler just switched into a bull against Hearns out of necessity. Hearns was so difficult to box from the outside and his right hand was most devastating when he got some distance on it. And spent the Leonard fight chasing him as Ray was the smaller guy who was dancing around the ring.

    Hagler was maybe a little more aggressive in general in the 80s than before but he was always a pretty methodical boxer-puncher.
     
    Jesus of montreal likes this.
  18. Xplosive

    Xplosive X-MOD Bad Motherfucker

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2003
    Messages:
    55,491
    Likes Received:
    13,171
    Location:
    Your girl's crib
    Yeah, there wasn't a great shift in Hagler. It was more about he became more polished in the early 80s and really hit his peak.

    Hagler's best performances, meaning the fights where he showed his full repertoire, were against Obel (the first fight), Hamsho (first fight), and Tony Sibson.

    In all three of those performances, he was a surgeon-like technician moreso than an attacking killer.

    Hagler was essentially a better/more talented version of Crawford.
     
  19. Jesus of montreal

    Jesus of montreal WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

    Joined:
    Jan 5, 2006
    Messages:
    12,921
    Likes Received:
    2,103
    thats a really good comparaison between Hagler and Crawford. Lot of similarities
     
    Xplosive likes this.
  20. Irish

    Irish Yuge, Beautiful

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2002
    Messages:
    107,346
    Likes Received:
    7,992
    Location:
    In The Trenches With My Boy Sepp
    Home Page:
    Anthony Yarde. Before Kovalev he was shit. After Kovalev he was really shit.
     
    Azazel, Jel and Xplosive like this.
  21. Xplosive

    Xplosive X-MOD Bad Motherfucker

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2003
    Messages:
    55,491
    Likes Received:
    13,171
    Location:
    Your girl's crib
    Lol
     
  22. ILLUMINATI

    ILLUMINATI Roberto Duran

    Joined:
    Nov 29, 2002
    Messages:
    33,783
    Likes Received:
    1,365
    Duran?
     
    George Crowcroft, Clinton and Jel like this.
  23. Ring Leader

    Ring Leader Undisputed Champion

    Joined:
    Dec 3, 2020
    Messages:
    1,239
    Likes Received:
    982
    I'd argue John Conteh. He was an aggressive boxer-brawler in his youth, then was forced to become more of a defensive boxer/counterpuncher after he injured his hand.

    Harold Johnson seems to have been more of a boxer-mover in his youth, then adopted a more aggressive boxing technique in his later years.
     
    roughdiamond and Xplosive like this.
  24. Xplosive

    Xplosive X-MOD Bad Motherfucker

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2003
    Messages:
    55,491
    Likes Received:
    13,171
    Location:
    Your girl's crib
    Yes, he even changed at lightweight.

    When he won the title from Buchanan, he was still a very much wild, yet ultra talented savage.

    When he peaked in the mid-to-late 70s, he had turned into a complete fighter who utilized more counter punching, yet was still the ultimate pressure fighter.

    Then of course, older Duran was far more cagey counterpuncher than pressure fighter.
     
    Tin_Ribs likes this.
  25. Xplosive

    Xplosive X-MOD Bad Motherfucker

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2003
    Messages:
    55,491
    Likes Received:
    13,171
    Location:
    Your girl's crib
    We've attracted a quality newbie it seems!
     
    Ugotabe Kidding and Ring Leader like this.
  26. Ring Leader

    Ring Leader Undisputed Champion

    Joined:
    Dec 3, 2020
    Messages:
    1,239
    Likes Received:
    982
    Also Fighting Harada - he was mostly a brawling, swarming fighter as a flyweight, but after getting KO'd by Joe Medel up at 118, he expanded his style to a mix of boxing and attacking.
     
    Tin_Ribs likes this.
  27. Xplosive

    Xplosive X-MOD Bad Motherfucker

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2003
    Messages:
    55,491
    Likes Received:
    13,171
    Location:
    Your girl's crib
    Very correct.

    He was brilliant at flyweight in the first Kingpetch fight though.
     
  28. Xplosive

    Xplosive X-MOD Bad Motherfucker

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2003
    Messages:
    55,491
    Likes Received:
    13,171
    Location:
    Your girl's crib
    Medel was a murderous puncher. It speaks to Jofre's granite chin that he took Medel's best and came raging back.
     
    Tin_Ribs likes this.
  29. Irish

    Irish Yuge, Beautiful

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2002
    Messages:
    107,346
    Likes Received:
    7,992
    Location:
    In The Trenches With My Boy Sepp
    Home Page:
    The true answer to this is Ralph Dupas.
     
  30. Ring Leader

    Ring Leader Undisputed Champion

    Joined:
    Dec 3, 2020
    Messages:
    1,239
    Likes Received:
    982
    Looking at what films exist of Eder Jofre, I think he may apply to this thread as well.

    Pre-title reign Jofre made a lot of use of his legs and mixed long-range boxing and attacking. After winning the title, he seems to have fought more flat-footed and focused on stalking/overpowering opponents.
     
    Tin_Ribs likes this.

Share This Page