Khaosai Galaxy

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No love?

 

Honestly, he's been one of the biggest talking points on here since I joined.

 

I wouldn't say he gets no love. He's in the Hall - its hard as fucckkkkkkk for foreign fighters below 126 to make the Hall.

He's also universally considered top 5 all time at 115.

Personally, I think he's the H2H GOAT at 115.

Having said all that, yeah, he deserves more recognition.

But probably Sung Kil Moon moreso, because he's not in the Hall, and Khaosai is.

 

Not to mention that Moon would beat Khaosai.

 

A Galaxy>A Moon.

But seriously, I think Watanabe had the best chance of beating Khaosai.

 

I haven't followed midget weights enough to know his worth, but at some point I watched about half dozen Galaxy fights. His opponents in those looked rather hapless, and much smaller than him

 

He destroyed several quality fighters; including Ely Pical, Israel Contreras, Rafael Orono, and Ernesto Ford.

Contreras was certainly not smaller than him, and would go on to ice Wilfredo Vasquez in 1 and win a title at 118.

 

While it's true that those were decent fighters. They weren't worldies, and I've always considered Contreras' victory over Vazquez to be anomalous, or at least, not quite representative of his abilities. Y'know how some fighters lose to fighters they probably shouldn't have, I feel like this one of those cases. Winning a life and death shoot-out with Espinoza is what's representative of him, IMO. Also, I think Contreras was a bit inexperienced in there with Galaxy, and I absolutely wouldn't call that a destructive performance. Izzy had him hurt in that one, which I fair enough, Contreras could absolutely bang.

Ely was always a weird one IMO. Another decent puncher, for sure. A southpaw left hook specialist iirc, and that's a rare thing. Good champion, good win. Nothing crazy like, but certainly respectable.

Orono was very old by that point.

Ford was nothing to write home about IMO. Aside from stopping a broken Castro, he didn't really do much.

Yong Kang Kim - despite the size disadvantage - was the best fighter Galaxy met IMO. He was a very sound flyweight, who beat Chitalada (twice, on my card) as well as Gamez, Alverez and Tamakuma.

Not a strong résumé by any means, but not something a scrub could amass.

 

Galaxy’s first 5 title defenses weren’t bad at all. I’m beginning to think the Pical fight was something of a fork in the road that started him down the path of least resistance.

 

Don't follow small weights, but apparently you're cock sure about the worth of Inoue compared to Gomez.

Got it...

 

Yes, because not knowing the level of the contenders of a super flyweight champion means I have no idea of who Gomez is, either.


E: but don't worry, I just educated myself. All those flyweight contenders fought before Inoue, so obviously Inoue loses by KO to all of them. Since even though he is bigger, as a modern guy he is less developed species.

 

I never said that.

Every boxing fan knows who Wilfredo Gomez is. He's one of the most famous Latin fighters in history.

But it means you can't accurately guage their respective resumes. For instance, the Davila example, which i talked about on the other thread. I doubt you've watched much Davila, but he was better than anyone on Inoue's resume. Yes, better than over the hill Donaire.

Gomez destroyed him, and that was pre-title reign Gomez.

 

But for the umpteenth time, we never TRIED to compare their resumes. That was never the question

 

You haven't tried to compare their skillsets either. Nor looked at their styles.

You said that they were on the same level. Yet Gomez looked a level above while fighting much better competition.

Do you see the problem here?

 

I would LOVVVVEEEEEE to hear what Inoue does better in the ring than Gomez. Please tell me.

Because the answer is nothing.

 

I see the problrm, and this is also what is where our opinions often differ.

I don't give that much weight on how fighters look in the ring. I know looks are about the only thing we can measure, but we still shouldn't accept it as a fact. That is because the eye test is very often misleading. A guy can look very inept technically, but if he is a murderous puncher or has huge upper body strength, he can beat guys who seem much better.

Every single era has erred when rating their timers to the past generation. Nat Fleischer wrote how Ray Robinson lacked the skills of Stanley Ketchell. Ketchell could fight, whereas Robinson was a good athlete, he said. EXACTLY like we describe the fighters we have now.

I don't think Robinson was lesser skilled, his style just looked different.

Power, strength, chin etc are abilities that we can't know for sure, when we compare fighters of different eras. We can see who has the more orthodox technique, but who hits harder is guessing game, unless we are talking about Hearns vs Spadafora. And more orthodox technique doesn't always prevail.

My assumption is that fighters tend to hit harder, as time goes by. Results in all sports that demand explosive power have gotten better, and I don't believe boxing to be the lone exception. There are several reasons (nutrition, sports science etc) but I won't get deep into them here.

So, if we now accept that Gomez has the better, more all-around boxing skills but that it is possible Inoue hits as hard and possibly took a better punch (again, not saying this necessarily was the case), then I could see the fight being close. Inoue didn't have the same skills, but he has enough skills that he can maybe make up for them with physical advantages, if he has them. And I am not picking him here, I am merely saying he is good enough to make a good fight.

Now, I also realize Gomez is among the most destructive offensive forces ever. But my question is, what should Inoue have done more to prove that he has a comparable punch and a sturdy chin? I think he has demonstrated them.

Gomez's reign is historically far greater than Inoue's. But I don't automatically accept the premise that all his contenders were clearly better than all Inoue's contenders.

 

I honestly don't know how to respond to that. You're saying that you don't like comparing fighters by the eye-test, and that Gomez clearly has the better résumé. You're saying that they're on the same, or similar, level because some of Inoue's opponents, are better than some of Gomez's?

For him to prove he's got a comparable punch, absolutely obliterating a prime ATG would do it. That's what Gomez did. Defending the title 20 something times all by KO would be another good way.

As for chin? He's proven he has a good chin, that doesn't mean he can take Gomez's best, though.

 

Ugo keeps talking about power, and that's the reason why I said Gomez is underappreciated by people who don't follow him.

Power be damned, let's just put it to the side.

Gomez was a far better TECHNICIAN than Inoue. That's what you're not comprehending for some reason.

You have this image in your mind of Gomez as a destroyer, when the man was one of the most talented BOXERS ever.

He also had unreal reflexes, and as a result, was a much harder target to hit than Inoue.

 

I am not saying that, at all.

Historically Gomez's record is better. But we don't know for sure if the opponents of one or other were better, head to head. Just assuming that modern guys are worse because their techniques are simple looking does not convince me, that is the premise I don't accept.

 

Ugo,




Wilfredo Gomez's prime was the 70s/80s.... not 1915.

He's a fucking MODERN era great.

 

Inoue has as much a chance of beating prime Gomez as Canelo would have at beating prime Roy.

Yes, the gap is THAT wide.

 

So boxing hasn't developed at all in 40 years, except backwards. Zero new technical or physical inventions have been made, nor even borrowed from any of the other sports that develop constantly.

Let's take it on this level then, since I obviously can't get any of my points across

Good debate here, but I think I am done for the night

 

You can't get any points across, because you have none. George is brutally exposing your general lack of boxing knowledge of historical fighters that's always been apparent.

Boxing talent/skill hasn't developed much, if it all, since the 70s/80s, and in a lot of fighters skill has regressed. It's especially true of many lower weight fighters, cause you ain't seen a Miguel Canto since Miguel Canto.

But, I know damn well you don't know about Miguel Canto, so I digress.

Your schtick that Cdogg and myself have been calling you on for damn near 20 years is getting worse and worse.

You're the polar opposite of the nostalgia loving old timers that you love to call out, and it's just as bad.

 

Who's saying that? We're saying that Gomez's best opponents are better than Inoue's, and that Gomez is better than Inoue.

Just because fighters are more jacked now, doesn't mean that they're better than then. Y'know what that is? A lazy comparison. I'm saying that Gomez's opponents were better because I've watched them, and I've watche Inoue's, and decided for whatever reasons I see that Gomez's were better. At the highest level, boxing hasn't evolved at all since the '40s. Hasn't changed at all in fact. The only thing that has changed, is the rules.

 

What's sad is, if I had said, "Gomez destroys Olivares," you wouldn't have said a word, or ever chimed into the topic.

But GOD FORBID I say Gomez destroys one of the current P4pders, and all of a sudden it's, "Wellllll..... wellll.... we don't know about all that!"

 

Imagine Gomez vs that arrogant, despicable little cheating cunt Nery. God, that's be good.

 

Ok. This here is the core of our different opinions. I see this drastically differently.

Thanks for the informative and respectful discussion. Can't say that about everybody

 

So I'm assuming you'd favor Bud and Spence over Leonard/Hearns?

 

Your argument would carry a lot of value if you could point out what "modern" technical advantage Inoue has over Gomez.

But you can't point out any, because there is none.

 

No, and I have never said that. I see the gap between them (in favor of Hearns/Leonard) as smaller than you. Just like in this case. But apparently, that is too much to be acceptable