Best guy you take Carl Froch to beat

My memory be damned, JOM I was wrong, he was not considered top 10 pfp back then. There's a nice ressource on boxrec that has these lists from many years!

 

They are good, but the further back you go the more unreliable they are.

 

JOM's position on Froch:

A toss up with Calz.

A lock over Eubank.

Better than Virgil Hill P4P.

And people wonder why Froch fans get criticized for overrating him.

 

Anybody that hink calz is a sure win over froch hasnt seen hin struggles against fringe guys like Bika and mediocrity like Salem.

Resume wise, froch is greater than Hill p4p.

As for eubank, i think he was fairly mediocre. Had way too many robberies/close ones against total scrubs like close and Schoomer

 

Ward had more trouble with Bika than Calzaghe did, and look what happened there.

 

You're unfair, you pitting Calz's worst showings (you forgot Reid btw) against Froch's best version. And even then, I feel Calz's a very bad matchup for Froch.

 

I always mention the reid fight, so im a bit tired of talking about it .

I think froch matches nicely with him. He has the jab and ste strenght to trouble him, and he would throw between calz.flurries

 

Lol no he didn't

 

But too be honest, you have a history of underrating Froch. You picked Abraham and Bute over him

 

The funny thing about Hill is that many saw him as a fraud and a very protected fighter at the time who only was willing to fight in north dakota. And he was laughed at for the loss against Hearns. Now hes viewed as an elite fighter

 

I know he was old, but Hopkins' jab didn't prevent Calz from being all over him and strength wise, I don't believe Froch was strong enough for it to be a factor. Calz's handspeed, activity and footspeed would give Froch all he could handle, and more! So let's agree to disagree!

 

Yall musta forgot! ;-)

 

Hopkins never was a jabber. At that point, pretty much all he had was the straight right. And i think Hops won this one. And im far from the only one. Hell, iirc, most of the media had him winning

 

What? Hopkins had a hell of a jab. He used the lead right beautifully, yes, but he used the jab to set up his right hand more often than not. And from my recollection, and here I admit it's not perfect, Calzaghe beat him fair and square with volume and close quarter fighting.

 

Youre tripping bro. At that time his jab wasnt a factor. His whole game was moving and catching guys with the counter right and the occasional left hook and rought stuff inside (which was getting less and less frequent as the years passed)

 

And calz winning clearly the Hopkins fight is one of fb biggest myth. As i said, numerous media and fans had hop winning

 

hopkins winning is comical. the guy tried repeatedly to get out of the fight

 

You're probably right. I have earlier Hopkins fights in mind. His jab was very good in his prime but I get what you're saying, he used it less as he grew older. He couldn't land it on Calzaghe.

 

Which means absolutely nothing. Even in the round where he flopped around the most obviously, he won it easily after getting up

 

I feel you're the one creating a myth here and you're relying on bad scoring from the press row. Calzaghe outlanded Hops by close to a hundred punch margin and it wasn't very close. As neil has said, it looked like Hopkins was trying to find a way out during the fight. And of course, Hopkins, with his legendary bad faith, said he won the fight and that he made Calzaghe look like an amateur! .

 

How you mean no he didn't?

 

Someone who Froch has no chance with, is Michael Nunn.

 

Twenty title defences tend to do that.

 

Bs even a lot of media in the uk had hop winning, and tons of fans and fighters too. Anyway. All this info is easy to find in google. Do a quick search and youll see it

 

Fun discussion but hey, JOM has been Calzaghe's biggest detractor here for close to 15 years... He's not changing his mind today! Or ever!

 

Michael Watson beats the shit outta Froch, too.

 

I've already refreshed my memory. It's clear now and I believe Calzaghe won that fight fair and square.

 

I hate Calzaghe. But if you scored the Hopkins fight against him you don't know shit bout boxing

 

Well youre knowm as the forum idiot, so your opinion dont means much

 

Again, if you're enough of a narcissist to think that only your opinion matters fine, but this fight is widely viewed as very contentious