How Would You Rate Mayweather, H2H, at Each Weight?

Who do you think beats Floyd at each of the weights he fought at, if anyone? If as you get higher, the list becomes pretty long, name either the best fighter you'd think he'd beat and/or the worst he'd lose to.

130
135
140
147
154

 

130 he's the H2H GOAT imo. His only two threats would be Arguello and Chavez.

135 he loses to Duran, Whitaker, Ike Williams, probably Ortiz, and quite possibly Chavez.

At 140 I rate him very highly. He might lose to Pryor and Benitez at 140, but has a good argument for beating everyone else.

147, the list gets much deeper. He loses to Walker Smith, Ray Leonard, Hearns, Gavilan, Griffith, Napoles, Duran, Rodriguez, Benitez, Basilio, off the top of my head.

At 154, he gets absolutely slaughtered by Hearns, and McCallum. I also think Jackson knocks him dead at 154, and Tito gives him a beating. Benitez beats him wide at 154. Norris also beats him at 154, but that's kinda arguable.

 

The worst guy Floyd loses to? I think you could present a viable argument that prime Vargas beats him at 154.

 

Oh, I think Mosley beats him at 135.

 

I think I've mentioned it in the past, but I can see Fenech of the first Nelson fight of the Martinez fight giving Mayweather a good go. Jeff was a beast and an awful style for Floyd, but he's undersized. I think Mayweather breaks him down, but he'd have a really tough fight on his hands before then. Kinda like the Chavez fight. Saddler is another guy who'd potentially give him issues.

I think Floyd beats Williams pretty clearly. Willie Joyce proved too smart and wily for Ike, three times out of four. I only pick Armstrong, Duran, Pea and Chavez over Floyd at 135. I pick him to lose to Pryor, Napoles and and De La Hoya at 140, and the guys already mentioned.

I think Floyd can definitely beat Norris, but he had major problems with Judah's athleticism at first, so that doesn't bode well for him vs Terry.

 

I agree, although I'd say that could Vazquez beat him and is a worse fighter than Vargas

 

Ohhhhh shit! I forgot about Armstrong!

 

Between 130 and 140, he's as good as anyone. Sure he might lose some, but i dont think anyone is a lock over him. Over that, there's a ton of fighters that beats him

 

Floyd Mayweather is certainly the most savvy fighter of his era, but I'm not sure how that translates. He learned his lessons by fighting guys like Corrales, Ortiz, Guerrero, etc...
I don't think that I would bet that what he learned fighting those guys would make him the smartest guy in the ring if he was fighting a Fritzie Zivic, an Ike Williams, a Sandy Saddler or a Henry Armstrong. I would have to see it first.

 

I think Norris absolutely destroys PBF. Terrible matchup for him imo, and PBF doesn't have the power at that weight to take advantage of Norris less than stellar chin

 

I doubt it. Norris beat Floyd? I could see it. Destroy him? Nah. The more I think of it though, yeah, I do see Terry winning.

 

Now that I think about it more, the lowest tier guy I could see Floyd losing to is Lloyd Honeyghan.

Stylewise, Honeyghan at his best presents a very difficult fight for Floyd.

 

Aside from the names already mentioned, this is who I would make him an underdog against
140 - the Sweat Pea that beat Pineda
WW - Forrest, Curry, Sweat Pea again (the one that blew out McGirt's shoulder),
154 - Curry (the one before McCallum), the fat Whitaker that out-boxed Vasquez, SRR and Griffith again, the DLH that beat Vargas, Trinidad with the wraps, Winky

 

Yes, Winky definitely beats Floyd at 154.

 

How about Brown? Can you see him pulling it off?

 

I think it’s very hard to truly get a handle on how well Floyd would do against the all time greats seeing as how he made little to no effort to fight the best in his own era. When he did he’d often have some advantage such as taking on guys long past their best (Mosley, DLH & Pacquiao) or his inexcusable refusal to make contractual weight against a guy in JMM who was already considered a long shot.

I said this back at the time it happened but when the most dangerous welterweights were all fighting each other (Clottey, Cotto, Pac, Mosley, and Margarito) Floyd only managed to fight two of those guys and both times he went kicking and screaming as it took lots of fan pressure on him to get it done.

So yes Floyd managed to keep his undefeated record but we’ve always said the moves he made to do so would historically come back to haunt him and I think that is a highly relevant point when looking at his place amongst the all time greats.

Now that said: I would have loved to see Floyd versus Lomenchenko at 130 who I personally believe would have out pointed Floyd. I believe Loma is even with Floyd in defensive reflexes, but is superior in blocking punches, foot work/speed and hand speed. Floyd I believe is superior in punch timing, ring generalship and overall smarts ie adapting/adjustments.

 

Also before anyone says it, I realize Clottey wasn’t a great fighter in line with the other welters I mentioned. However, he was a dangerous talented ranked contender who gave as good as he got in the Margarito and Cotto fights. In a quest to prove he was the best welterweight alive Pacquiao fought Clottey because of how dangerous and tough he was, Floyd avoided Clottey for the same reasons. Clottey may have been a class A loser and Andrew Golotta level choker but even he managed to fight more of the top tier guys in the welterweight division than Floyd.

 

I was agreeing with your post. But no, Loma doesnt beat PBF

 

I think ODH and Tito definitely would've beaten PBF at 147. Forrest too.

 

Simon Brown?

Nah, I think Floyd would outbox Simon Brown.

 

Loma beat Floyd at 130????

LMFAOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!

GTFOH!

Floyd would have beaten the ever living fuckin bejesus outta Loma at junior lightweight.

Blame it on size all you want, Fimo showed the world that Loma's diva ass is nowhere near his astronomical hype.

 

Yeah, I wouldn't give Loma much chance vs Floyd. Nor would I give him much chance vs any of the truly elite 130 pounders, but I otherwise agreed with the rest of your post. Floyd's resume is laughably easy to pick holes in, and the list of top fighters he could've faced but didn't is really, really long.

The thing with Floyd is learning the right amount of credit to give him IMO. Pacquiao may have been old, one armed and five years too late - but Manny was still the second best boxer in the world, so on that basis alone, it deserves credit. Whereas by the same logic of look who else was beating them at the times Floyd fought them, Cotto lost to Trout even clearer than hd did to Floyd the same year; Mosley would go like 3-6-1 after Floyd and hadn't fought in over year before he fought May; etc; etc.

 

That's basically the way I see it, except I would be pretty confident in favoring Duran over him.

 

I think it can be said that his stretch in between the Castillo and DeLaHoya fights was an overall disappointment, or at least an underachievement, in terms of making big fights.

 

I will blame it on size. I don’t know why I’m even going to debate this with you since you’ve always argued Loma is overrated. Loma lost one fight far from his best weight and against a guy who-yes-is bigger and longer than him. So all of a sudden it’s laughable that he beats Floyd? Loma’s loss doesn’t equate to an affirmation victory for Floyd. How easily everyone forgets how dominant Loma was before he was forced to keep moving up in weight to seek the challenges that his domination made so scarce or scared. Yes Loma probably loses to Floyd, then again, maybe not.

 

Exactly, I agree that Loma would be a solid underdog but it would be far from a shocking upset

 

Agreed. I'd make Floyd the solid favorite over Loma, but this logic is puzzling. This is like seeing Napoles lose to Monzon and then laughing at Napoles' chances against welterweights.

It also leads to the weird concept where Loma would be more appreciated if he had never left featherweight and retired instead.

 

I just dont see it. Loma is a good fighter, but PBF his superior to him pretty much everywhere. It wouldn't be a mismatch, but i think loma chances are slim to none

 

If Loma thought Floyd was a big belter like Teo, then Floyd would run Loma out of the ring

 

Ohhhh please! Comparing Lopez-Loma to Napoles-Monzon is a joke.

Napoles moved up 13 friggin pounds to fight Monzon, a guy who really had the frame of a super middle. Napoles was a small WELTERWEIGHT, he had no business at middle. He did nothing above 147, unlike Loma, who was the unified lightweight champ coming into the Lopez fight.

Fimo schools him, and suddenly its compared to Monzon-Napoles? Lmao!

Floyd-Loma is a mismatch. JOM might have stopped short of saying it, but I won't.

There's zero avenue for a Loma victory. Every single issue he faced against Fimo is magnified by 10 against Floyd.

If Loma was puzzled by the ring generalship of a pup, how the Hell do you think he's gonna fare against of the finest ring generals of all time?

Floyd's reach and handspeed would be problem enough for Loma from distance, but in close Loma is even more fucked given Floyd is a much better infighter, and wayyyyyyy physically stronger.

Fimo showed that Loma is a mental midget. The idea of him challenging one of the smartest and mentally toughest fighters OAT is laughable.

Loma has NO chance whatsoever against Floyd. None. Not a prayer.