Canelo-Saunders: Predictions, Discussions, RBR

Same score here. Saunders 1 and only round was the 5th.

 

It's not lucky that it landed, but that it had the magnified effect that it did, so much so that it made Saunders just want out, immediately.

I've never seen Canelo land- and celebrate- such a shot, against an opponent who was still standing and conscious.

He knew he had landed an absolute home run there. He knew there was something more than routine.

Where I think Alvarez deserves credit, and it is such a huge part of his game, is in making the small adjustments to land that shot.

Unless you set a withering pace with a hint of power, Alvarez will have too much time to analyze and make adjustments.

He's the downloader, and unlike Lomachenko, he's got a big fat printer to turn things his way.

 

I gave him the 6th.

 

Didn't Score it, but Saunders Won 2 Rounds MAX, 3 if You Grant Him Every Single BENEFIT of the Doubt...

Chris Mannix's Scorecard was Embarrassing, Fuuuuuurther Revealing He's a SUIT, Not a Genuine "Boxing Guy"...Saunders WINNING After 7???...

REED Thought the Final Round Bordered On 10-8, Even w/Out a Knockdown...Canelo Whupped Sanders' Ass That Round...





REED

 

Mannix is usually the biggest Canelo shill on Earth.

I'm shocked that he had BJS ahead.

BJS had some success in the mid rounds, but I knew he wouldn't sustain it, and that it was only a matter of time.

 

I have a hard time understanding how anyone in that arena could have it for Saunders. Even during the rounds he could arguably have won, Alvarez was landing the harder blows. The body shots he was landing were preparing a stoppage, it was obvious to me that Saunders wouldn’t hear the final bell. Some comments I heard last night during DAZN’s broadcast made me wonder if we were watching the same fight. I didn’t feel there was any question about the outcome of the fight after the first round.

 

If anything I think it showed that Mannix isn't actually a corporate sellout at all, he's just a fucking idiot

 

I don't normally score fights that i watch live but like most people i keep kind of a vague tally in my head. I thought Saunders got two rounds. Saunders winning?

lmao that's not "generous" it's Santa Claus.

 

I always hated Sergio Mora, but ill forgive him for everything if he beats the shit outta Mannix one day.

 

agREED...

Given the Pomp, Circumstance and Innate SUBJECTIVITY of Boxing, It DETRACTS from the Overall Experience When REED Attempts to Score a Fight Live...

Scoring a Boxing Match is a PROCESS, Sooooo Unless You're Getting PAID to Judge It, a Boxing Match is Meant to Be ABSORBED, Initially...

REED May Jot Down a Handful of Notes Here or There and Have a VAGUE Idea of a Tally, as You Stated, But He Doesn't SCORE a Fight Outright Until the 2nd or 3rd Viewing...






REED

 

It's Because Mannix is a SUIT - w/That, He's SENSITIVE To, or @ the Very Least, AWARE Of the Criticism...

Wouldn't Surprise REED @ All if Another DAZN Suit "Encouraged" Mannix to Bend Over Backwards for Saunders, as a Show of FAUX - Objectivity...




REED

 

Yep. I don't know shit about the guy and his history but if he was supposedly too biased one way it surely was brought to his attention. Therefore he "corrected" things.

People like that don't really have independent thoughts which is why they were hired in the first place.

 

Likewise. I don't know what they hoped to achieve. Maybe kid the fans into thinking that the stoppage was some sort of brilliant turnaround.

Or kid the fans into thinking that Saunders was a value opponent.

I don't know.

But it was all total bullshit, one way or the other.

Agenda driven horsecrap.

I never watched a minute of the fight with the commentary on.

 

"He paid an emotional tribute to the mainly Mexican crowd of 73,126, which set an attendance record for boxing in an indoor area in the US. Texas has long flouted any Covid-related restrictions but it was still an astonishing turnout. This latest Canelo showpiece was trumpeted as “the night boxing returned” – but, with few masks in the crowd and no social distancing, the health implications during a global pandemic were bluntly ignored."

fuck off.

 

From What REED (Loosely) Knows, Mannix was a FAT FUCK That Happened Upon Freddy Roach's Wild Card Gym for Weight Loss Purposes...

Pretty Sure Pre-Existing Connections Led to His Time @ Wild Card & Then a Career in Boxing...

Doesn't Seem Like a BAD Guy, For What it's Worth, But His LACK of Authenticity is Tangible...You Can Just TELL He's a Guy Who Wound Up Covering Boxing, NOT a Guy That Wanted to ONLY Cover Boxing...Mannix is a Journalist, Not a "Boxing Guy"...

The Opposite of Max Kellerman, Whose Boxing Coverage Led to Him Covering More Mainstream Sports...

Say What You Will About Max, He's a "Boxing Guy"...Love or Hate Teddy Atlas, He's a "Boxing Guy"...Even as You DISAGREE w/a "Boxing Guy's" Opinion, You Can Typically Trust the SPIRIT of the Opinion Itself, See SOME Degree of Validity to It...

A "Boxing Guy" Would've Deviated from the Script Last Night, vs. Toe'ing the Company Line and SELLING Saunders for More Than he Proved to Be Worth...Mannix Didn't Deviate...



REED

 

AB gave BJS the kiss of death.

 

What impresses me most about Canelo's win (and even just the fact that he fought Saunders in the first place) is that Saunders is exactly the kind of fighter most marquee names would look to avoid if they had the choice - a slick southpaw technician with a lengthy unbeaten record, whose ceiling is unknown. He's the epitome of a high risk, low reward opponent.

At this point, Canelo has beaten top fighters from jr. MW through LHW, he has far and away the best resume of any active fighter outside of an old legend like Pacquiao. He has only two fights out of 50-plus that he failed to win, each against one of the best fighters of the era, and he avenged the second one. I wasn't completely sold on Canelo as a great fighter for a while, but he proved me wr0ng with the win over G and his subsequent fights have only reaffirmed that. I don't see how there's anyone he can be seriously accused of ducking at this point either, especially if he goes into a Plant fight next. IDK what more he has to do for people to consider him an ATG.

 

The goal here was to elevate BJS win or lose as he is part of the DAZN family

 

agREED w/Some of This...

DeLa Openly Questioned the SANITY of Canelo Insisting On "High Risk/Low Reward" Opponents Like Trout and Lara, Back in the Day...Saunders is Consistent w/That...

The Triple G RE Certified Canelo in REED's Opinion as Well...But While His Run Since Then Has Been Impressive, it's Still CALCULATED AF...

Canelo Didn't Challenge Beterbiev or Bivol @ '75, He Went After Kovalev and Insisted on a Rehydration Clause, Instead...Has There Ever Been a WORSE "Defending Champion" than Rocky Fielding???...

Canelo HATERS Will Accuse Him of "Ducking" Everybody; Charlo, Andrade, Triple G 3, Whatever...Some Accused Him of Ducking Saunders Also...But if There's ANY Fighter He's Legitimately Ducking, it's Clearly David Benavidez...

1. Canelo Coerced the WBC to Allow Him and Callum Smith Vie for their Vacant Title...
2. Canelo ASKED the WBC to Allow Him to Defend Against the DREADFUL Avni Yildirum Thereafter, Even Though Benavidez Was and Still IS the # 1 Contender...

3. Canelo Never, EVER Mentions Benavidez By Name...He's Usually Got Something to Say About EVERYBODY Else, But Never Benavidez...

Canelo DENIED The Sanctioning Body Shenanigans, Initially, Which Forced the WBC' Into Admitting Canelo ASKED for Yilidirum, Specifically...That Way, He Could Safely Pursue Unifications w/Saunders and Plant w/No Fear of Mandatories Getting in the Way...

The TRUE Test of All This Will Come this Time NEXT Year; Cinco de Mayo 2022...By that Point, Canelo Will Likely Be UNDISPUTED Super Middleweight Champion...If Benavidez is Still Right There in the Mix, THAT's the Fight to Make...

There's a Clear Level of CONCERN for Benavidez, Otherwise, WHY Did Canelo POUNCE on Benavidez's Vacated Title in the Manner he Did???...Wouldn't Surprise REED @ All if Canelo's Eventually STRIPPED of 1 or More of His Undisputed Titles, Shortly After Acquiring Them, Starting w/the WBC...






REED

 

I heard from Sly last night. He was most pleased with how matters had proceeded.

 

I wonder why...

 

No idea.

 

I don't think that underlined part is a fair statement.

Yes, Fielding was just an easy setup for another title, but he followed that up by beating Jacobs, who was generally regarded as the next best MW in the world after G (or at worst, tied with Charlo for the #2 spot). Kova was still the most proven and accomplished out of all the top LHWs and was coming off a brilliant boxing exhibition against unbeaten Alvarez earlier in the year. Aside from that, Canelo has no obligation to even be jumping up to fight a top 175 lber in the first place.

 

If Canelo never faces Plant or Benavidez it's because of politics. Why doesn't Benavidez and Plant fight ffs? Plant and Benavidez's comp is awful.

 

Benavidez might want to stop looking for ways to shoot his career in the foot as well. He's had two reigns as WBC champ and blown each one with his lack of discipline.

 

RL does have a point. The coke head hasn't done himself many favors.

I think there's gonna be a push to make Benavidez-Charlo for late 2021.

Canelo will face big public pressure to fight the winner. I suspect that Canelo HOPES the winner will be Charlo.

 

The Underlined Part is Just as "Fair" as Canelo Forcing a Rehydration Clause Upon a Vulnerable Kovalev, Knowing He was a SOFTER Touch Than Beterbiev or Bivol, As Is...




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