Are boxers getting faster?

Conn was an excellent fighter but the most celebrated man in boxing history for a loss, via KO no less.

 

Conn is one of the light heavyweight greats.

 

Lol, pretty sure i still have that mag. Will try to find the piece and post it

 

It was Basically CLICK BAIT Before the Term Existed...

It WASN'T Ring Magazine (Maybe KO or One of the Others), but Regardless, There's No Way They Expected an "Unbiased" Take from the SON of a Loooooooong Retired Boxing Great, About THE Best Fighter in the World @ The Particular Time...




REED

 

Please Do!

Would Loooooooooooooooove to See if the ABSURDITY Of It Still Holds Up...

REED

 

Of Course he Was...

But REED's Pretty Sure the Letter was in Response to a Light Heavy Ranking a Month or So Prior, Which Had Roy AHEAD of Conn...

The Letter Suggested it was NONSENSE to Have Roy Rated Higher than Conn @ '75, Even Though Practically EVERY Boxing Fan Outside of Pittsburgh Rates Roy Higher @ the Weight...As if There was NO Basis for Ranking Roy Higher...

It was Something You'd Expect Ricky Schroeder to Write About Jon Voight's Character in "The Champ"...Completely OVER the Fucking Top...





REED

 

I don't see it at all. In fact, I feel today's fighters are slower than they were when I start watching boxing 20 years ago

 

Floyd has done a good PR job of selling himself as the GOAT no doubt about it. When talking about him with a bunch of friends, I said no one serious who knew boxing had him as the best ever (hell I don't even have him in my top 10). Some were starting to argue with me yet these motherfuckers don't even have a clue about who Sugar Ray Robinson is.

 

Btw, I always despised the ''today's fighters suck'' crew but I've got to admit this is how I'm feeling aviut the current bunch. Don't get me wrong, there is still some outstanding fighters but I would bs myself if I didn't acknowledge they are a notch or 2 behind the Jones, Hopkins, Lewis, Mosley, ODLH, Floyd and Pac that were dominating the sport when I became a fan.

 

Playing Devil's Advocate...

Perhaps You're Already ATTACHED To/PROTECTIVE Of Them Since That Crop Represents YOUR Indoctrination into Boxing Fandom???...

The Vast Majority of Boxing Fans Certainly ARE, When it Comes to That 1st Group of Fighters They Started Following...

Are You Already Nostalgia Biased???...



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This.

In fact, I totally agree with Az that the bunch we have now is worse than the best of 20 years ago. It is just that every single generation seems to think the same way in their turn, so I am not completely ready to believe my own eyes.

20 years ago the boxing aficionados saw 50s and 60s being the golden era of the sport. Now it seems that the title has changed to the 80s. Coincidental or not, the fans who are now on their 50s became fans at the same time

 

Nah, this crew objectively is weaker than a Lewis, Jones, Mosley, DLH crew.

Lummox would wipe his ass with the gypsy cokehead and the Alabama retard.

 

I was gonna argue that the smaller guy crop is better now, but forgot that the 90s had Too Sharp, Finito, Carbajal, Canizales, and Arbachakov.

 

Yeah i think the current generation is definitely weaker than the one from the late 90s early 2000s.

Best fighter p4p is Canelo, who while very good, doesnt seems to be at the same level as Jones. But the main difference is that the depth is not there. Crawford and Spence are rated among the top5 and the first hasnt beat nobody, and while the second has faced credible opposition, he hasnt looked too hot against then. Loma is a good fighter, and might be a special talent, but he kind of blew his reputation by doing nothing for half of his fight against Lopez.

When you compare them to Mosley, Tito, PBF, DLH, BHop, and even Morales, Mab and Naz, they are a bit lacking

At hw, it's a bit of a mixed bag, since there's obviously no hw as good as lewis, there is more depth. And there's also a few prospect that are interesting

All in all, not a terrible generation, but it feels it's a bit weaker

 

One factor that skews things heavily is seeing a past prime fighter losing to a rising star.

If the young guy destroys the vet it's often totally written off as unimportant because of the age difference. If the young guy doesn't totally annihilate and *gasp struggles that's a heavy knock against them. Then it's "if he had a hard time with the old version imagine what would happen ..."

 

but then I would also overrate them against earlier generation of fighters too. Instead, as I've watch more pre 80's fights in recent years, I now rate historically the early 2000's lower than I did at the time. Still, you raise a good point and nostalgia might play a part unconsciously, it's hard to totally disregard it...

 

And a huge knock against the current generation is that the top star didn't just struggle with a past his best veteran, he lost hands down. Sure, there is a ton of asterix to this story (Canelo wasn't at the top of his game, was probably weight drained and Floyd, while not in his prime wasn't too far from it). Still, not a good look historically wise

 

I'm not refering to the kast 20 years, but mostly compared to the 60s and 70s

 

Yes but be basically threw away something he was never supposed to have. Very rare you see a guy in the first, and then the second, position.

And he was legit outweighed 30lbs+ by a guy who had leveled- absolutely starched- far bigger men.

Today you see guys tip the scaled- literally- in their favour, labour to a win and expect mad fuckin plaudits- AND GET THEM, too.