Joshua v Usyk

Discussion in 'General Boxing Discussion' started by Jel, Sep 4, 2021.

  1. Jel

    Jel WBC Champion

    September 25th - anyone else actually looking forward to this one and who have you got?
     
  2. Irish

    Irish Yuge, Beautiful

    Sort of looking forward, have Joshua. Usyk might have some moments. But he's a clunky guy. It's a question of how AJ handles a lefty with some brains. Usyk isnt really a smarty, he moves a lot, keep his hands up, he's not Chris Byrd. I think if Tony Bellew can casually land singles on Usyk then Joshua should too.
     
  3. Jesus of montreal

    Jesus of montreal WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

    Usyk will make it ugly, but i don't see how hell could win this one
     
  4. Irish

    Irish Yuge, Beautiful

    Big left to Joshs thin temples.
     
  5. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft "Twinkle Toes" McJack

    I'm a big Usyk fan, always have been. I'm looking forward to it, and I want him to win. Joshua's style is my favourite of the big three right now, and I dislike all of their personalities so I guess he'd be my favourite. I want Usyk to win, but am interested in seeing how he'll set about trying.
     
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  6. Irish

    Irish Yuge, Beautiful

    I see Joshua is off the gear for this one...
     
  7. Xplosive

    Xplosive X-MOD Bad Motherfucker

    If you know me, you know I'm never ever excited for a heavyweight fight, and this is no exception.

    I'll watch though.
     
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  8. whiskey

    whiskey Czarcasm

    You've been sour on the heavyweight division ever since that blockbuster Ruiz-Byrd unification bout never transpired.
     
  9. Irish

    Irish Yuge, Beautiful

    Hey Byrd went on hunger strike to make that fight happen.....

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    Irish Yuge, Beautiful

  11. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft "Twinkle Toes" McJack

    Nah, he'll just be on different stuff.
     
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  12. Irish

    Irish Yuge, Beautiful

    Joshua will clean this Lurch Bot out and it will be celebrated like he'd just turned over Joe Frazier.
     
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  13. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft "Twinkle Toes" McJack

    A win over Usyk is an incredible achievement. Certainly better than any of Fury's.
     
  14. Irish

    Irish Yuge, Beautiful

    Usyks a good boxer. But he's a clunky cruiser. Any good Olympic SuperHvy Gold Medallist who was touted as the next $1Bn Athlete should be beating this guy.
     
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  15. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft "Twinkle Toes" McJack

    There's nothing clunky about Usyk at CW.
     
  16. Jesus of montreal

    Jesus of montreal WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ


    I don't see it, i rate wilder and even old wlad as better
     
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  17. ButterbeansDad

    ButterbeansDad Leap-Amateur

    I think Usyk is on a different level to AJ. Easy UD or late stoppage. Could get robbed though
     
  18. Jesus of montreal

    Jesus of montreal WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

    Interesting take. I think usyk as basically no chance. Will be fun to see how this turns out
     
  19. Dog Jones

    Dog Jones WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

    Like I said before, anyone that loses to Shawn Porter isn't beating Joshua
     
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  20. Double L

    Double L Book Reader

    how is usyk even top rated at heavy? he's totally unproven there.
     
  21. Xplosive

    Xplosive X-MOD Bad Motherfucker

    It's no great achievement to beat Usyk at heavy.

    The list of heavyweights in history that would beat Usyk is overwhelming.
     
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  22. Ugotabe Kidding

    Ugotabe Kidding WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

    I still can't follow this narrative.

    Usyk has p4p level skills. The era overall is poor, but he has some solid attributes.

    Usyk at 6'3 220 lbs is the size of the best heavyweights of the history. Also the contenders of 80s were about the same size.

    Heavyweights are skilless, talentless, condition-lacking fat slobs whose extra size isn't helpful.

    Why hasn't Usyk taken over or at least isn't the firm favorite here? He has size and clearly better skills, even if he was no all-time.
     
  23. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft "Twinkle Toes" McJack

    It takes a genuinely elite HW to beat the Usyk of the Gassiev fight; who was 215lbs on fight and is 6'3.
     
  24. Neil

    Neil tueur de grenouilles

    who among tysons career greatest victories beat PRIME usyk?
     
  25. Xplosive

    Xplosive X-MOD Bad Motherfucker

    Tyson destroyed a greater and better fighter moving up in weight than Usyk, and did so in 91 seconds.

    Honestly, I find Usyk unbelievably overrated in a historical content.
     
  26. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft "Twinkle Toes" McJack

    I have no doubt Usyk would beat both the versions of Spinks and Holmes who fought Tyson.
     
  27. Xplosive

    Xplosive X-MOD Bad Motherfucker

    I don't see it. They're just better fighters than Usyk.

    The Spinks who destroyed Cooney would beat Usyk. Just a different class of fighter.
     
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  28. Xplosive

    Xplosive X-MOD Bad Motherfucker

    Usyk has beaten absolutely nobody to suggest he could beat an ATG.
     
  29. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft "Twinkle Toes" McJack

    Disagree.

    The Spinks who beat Qawi was a different class to Usyk, but Mike wasn't some animal above HW. He beat a geriatric Holmes who hadn't looked genuinely impressive in years; looked average vs Tangstaad then poor vs Cooney. He got worse with every fight at heavyweight, as his knees degenerated and then obviously only turned up for a paycheck vs Tyson. If anything, I see nothing in Spinks above LHW to suggest he'd beat Usyk. Usyk at cruiserweight - it's yet to be seen what shape he's in for Joshua - was clearly quicker and more fluid than Spinks was after moving up, and clearly has a better chin. Furthermore, Spinks' jab was never effective vs southpaws. Look at the Wasajja and Pops fights. It's the backhand to the body and left hook which was what worked. His jab didn't land anywhere near as effectively as it did vs orthodox fighters. Usyk, the taller, longer man, has the style advantage. Being a southpaw proliferates these issues even more and Usyk's workrate and movement dwarfs HW Spinks'. And that's the Holmes version. The one who turned up for Tyson was a hot mess. Usyk would stop that version.
     
  30. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft "Twinkle Toes" McJack

    Briedis isn't an easy fight for anyone below 200lbs, and that includes Holyfield, Marciano and Louis.
     

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