Fury vs Wilder 3 - One of the best HW fights in recent times

Erm, what that man said. I was trolling/winding up a few mates on fb who are casual fans (but huge Fury fans) saying it was like watching two angry kaylied twenty stone jagerbomb addicts with little wangers at throwing out time in Doncaster city centre on a Saturday night. Obviously a joke but a lot closer to the truth than saying it was like the Thrilla or Bowe-Holyfield I.

 

For a live, real-time event, quality is irrelevant and potential is everything.

For a historical evaluation, quality is everything and the thrill of fight night takes a back seat,

Thus., last night was a wildly exciting and thoroughly entertaining affair. It was high drama.

It probably wasn't as quality-laden as Lewis vs Vitali, never mind Bowe vs Holy.

 

What I would say is this: if the first two fights had never happened, and the "third" played out as it did, would people think it was as "Great" or would they just say "Hey that was a mildly surprising outcome"

I think the first two fights played a huge part in building a sense of expectation that was not disappointed.

We sometimes get great promise, we sometimes get great fights, but we rarely get the promise of a great fight that then out-does the expectations.

 

I get what you're driving at but I think there's a degree of subjectivity with these things, and for me personally when a world title fight gets so sloppy, ugly, untidy and lacking clean punching past a certain point, it loses entertainment value rapidly. Gatti-Ward is low quality as a historical event but was still incredibly thrilling because there were so many clean flush shots landed back and forth with force at a ridiculous rate and thrown with clean technique. And it was nap and tuck as opposed to a relatively one-sided mugging outside of a couple of knockdowns and brave retaliatory shots from the losing guy.

 

I agree totally with you. But if you wanted Fury- or Wilder- to win, then you had a sort of personal investment that helped you see past all the qualitative issues- you found yourself saying "thank fuck that didn't land"- instead of "wow what a sloppy shot, no wonder it missed".

 

Fury vs Whyte will be next, bank on that. And it will be massively entertaining in the pre-during-post.

Fury is going to have to nail that slob to the mat to beat him.

 

Everyone talks about the knockdown in the 12th of the first fight but I actually think the shot that put Fury down the first time last night was better. It was straight, compact and right on the button. Fury also walked right into it, surprised he got up from that.

 

Agreed, only think I would say it was a snot too high and hadn't got the fullest of extension.

The first fight was all down to Fury having no legs from losing weight.

The third fight he really got fucking nailed.

 

I'm a big mma fan. I'm far from a hater but I question the caliber of their champions when it comes to striking. If Jake Paul a youtuber can beat former ufc champions it kind of takes away from the luster of the ufc belts. There was a time when Tyron Woodley was being talked about as the next GSP in terms of greatness. But Tyron wouldn't make 5 dollars as a boxer. Dana has all these recycled fights with the guys he likes who are basically yes men like Cowboy Cerrone a guy with 16 loses was still headlining ppv events. How many guys do you know who have 16 loses and are the main event for a boxing ppv event???

 

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And this is called happiness ❤

 

This. Most people on the planet are confusing intriguing with greatness. The fight was very intriguing as like you said, it felt like either guy was going to knock the other one out at any moment.

That’s the second time Wilder drops and hurts Fury and for the rest of the fight can’t even shake the guy. I think it has as much to do with Fury’s increasing confidence as it does in Wilder’s supremely shitty stamina.

 

That's a great word. It was tremendously intriguing! It was like "What WILL happen next"

 

Fury is a bit like Trinidad. He gets hit, he gets back up, pays attention a bit better.

Couple that with Wilder basically having had fuck all at the end of the 4th round anyways.

 

Boxing may get the most tweets, posts and have the better social media following but MMA is the one that consistently has the best fighters matched up in their primes. You don’t have to worry about fights getting scraped because of sanctioning bodies, politics or squabbling promoters.

The hypocrisy coming from you is ridiculous. You’re actually criticizing Dana for doing what us boxing fans wished boxing had done forever. Making the best fighters fight each other when they deserve it, earn it or when the fans want it.

Dana may be arrogant but he definitely knows stars pay the bills. If you think he didn’t appreciate having Rousey, Connor and John Jones’ financial success you’re nuts. The issue here is you’re actually criticizing Dana for not putting money first and protecting his stars which is 99% of what most people would do. Instead Dana makes his stars fight the best fights now and if they lose he accepts that. Dana doesn’t have to protect his stars just to line his pockets, instead he lines his pockets by robbing them.

 

Woodley was talked about as the next GSP you say. Did you notice Paul didn’t fight him during that period? No, Paul waited til Woodley became a borderline loser who’s confidence has looked completely shot in his last 3 or 4 fights. Also, if you’re a big MMA fan like you claim you should know the other UFC fighter Paul beat—Askren—was a complete nonstriker. MMA fighters have to know a wide range of skills, so when you put them in with a boxer and ask them to fight under completely different rules, it’s not a fair assessment at all.

The reason the 16 loss Cerrone was headlining a PPV was because he’s popular, and exciting. Also, as should be the case with boxing, a perfect or pretty record shouldn’t determine who headlines a PPV.

 

I think the problem these days (and it may have always been the case, but maybe not to this extreme) is that everyone is always trying to sell the show they're selling. So the commentators end up going overboard with the comparisons. We've also been starved of good matchups and fights, not least at heayweight, so when a halfway decent one takes place it immediately is proclaimed the second coming of Ali-Frazier.

It was an entertaining fight, a lot of fun with some genuinely exciting moments. Quality-wise, it was pretty poor and had Fury not smothered his own work as often, it probably would have been over by the 7th. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed it a lot but the kind of comparisons the commentators have been making don't do it any favours.

 

Don't wanna make this a MMA thread, but the simple fact is that MMA guys HAVE to make the big fights, they've nothing to gain anywhere else.

In Boxing, the dudes avoid sometimes big fights as they have too much to lose.

 

'What a wonderful world' would've soundtracked that well

 

Nah I was feeling that "Mad World" song by Gary Jules

 

See that's the problem. PPV fights meant something. Like Tyson vs Lewis, Bowe vs Holyfield, De La Hoya vs Trinidad. The best fighting the best that's the Era I remember. Now it's Disney kid vs washed up mma wrestler dude. Sure it's entertainment in a circus freak show kind of way. You can also put shit in a nice shiny package and call it gold but at the end of day it's still shit. That's what's happening with ppv. And as far as the ufc my only problem is having one guy calling all the shots and making the fights he feels we want to see. Like Masvidal vs Diaz for the bmf belt. Can you imagine two journey men fighting for a made up belt just because they're popular. While the real champion (Usman) has to sit on the sidelines because of this meaningless fight. Dana White is a tyrant in his sport. But I hear there's a new mma league just like the NFL and NBA and it will probably put an end to the ufc monopoly.

 

And the funny thing is, you guys seem to actually tote this way of doing things like it’s a good thing. I was there during those times and it sucked so stop pretending otherwise just to make boxing look superior. In Dana White’s version of boxing, a guy like Floyd doesn’t get to “avoid” Margarito and Williams and wait til Mosley and Paquiao are past their primes. Those fights would be set up immediately. Yet here you guys are saying White is a dictator. So would you guys prefer he bring in some promoters so he can have the same screwed up system where politics and personal interests screw up big fights?

Boxing has a lot more over MMA than these ridiculous narratives you guys are trying to push here.

Boxing was doing bullshit PPV’s before UFC was even a thing. You don’t remember all the bullshit PPV’s Julio Cesar Chavez jr got? Like I said, it seems you guys are nitpicking because you want boxing to be in the better light but facts are facts and the fact is, the UFC and even Bellator puts on top fights people want to see. The UFC never allowed their sport to get hijacked by promoters and it helps that it’s run like an actual professional sport. Boxing never fixed it’s issues that see it continually run like a criminal organization.

You call White a tyrant but I don’t see anything he’s doing wrong here other than maybe under paying his fighters. As far as matchups go, even when it’s a fight like Diaz versus Masvidal or McGregor versus Ceronne these are fights with fan favorite guys who are exciting and have earned such a pay day and deserve that high profile bout. To complain Usman waited on the sidelines because of one fun bout even though he fought Woodley, Dos Anjos, Covington, Burns and still went on to fight Masvidal (twice!) is the definition of nit picking.

It’s really funny seeing stuff we all bitched about in boxing for decades now being used as positive ammo for why MMA sucks.

 

I reckon it'll be Dillian Whyte next, possibly at Old Trafford which would be cool. Then I guess Usyk afterwards (or AJ if he pulls off the upset).

 

Anyone NOT Entertained by a 5 Knockdown, Heavyweight SLUG-FEST is Watching the Wrong Sport....





REED

 

So Was Wilder....






REED

 

It was entertaining, but it wasn't among the best fights ever like casuals are saying.

Wilder is a sloppy scrub, and Fury was fat as fuck. So forgive me if I dont consider it Ali-Frazier 1.

BUT, it was a fun slugfest. Pretty one sided though outside of the 4th.

 

I agree, and I called it earlier.

If Fury wants a stadium fight, this is it.

Whyte is wild and will be in shape.

But the timing is all bad.

It really has "SUMMER" written all over it and we're in October.

So I can see both men having a warm up, too.

Edit: now that I think of it.......I can see Fury have a fight in the new year, maybe February, and Whyte too, on the undercard, with the implicit understanding that this will pave the way to a fight at Wembley in the Summer.

 

I think it'll happen around March time. I don't see Fury having a warm-up and Whyte has Wallin this month so I think they'll just get straight to it if Whyte comes through.

 

Yeah could be. But Fury is a lot like Randy Turpin. He needs serious downtime to hit a sort of bottom and then build slowly to a fine peak.

So he shoukd have 1 month and then back to the gym.

 

Joshua-Usyk II being SIX MONTHS away really fucked the division up.