Canelo vs Plant: Final Predictions, Discussion, RbR

Honestly, REED Never Entertained the Idea of Trinidad BEATING Roy Because REED Didn't Expect Tito to Get Past Bernard in the 1st Fucking Place, Which he Obviously Didn't...

Roy Even Tried to Talk Tito Into NOT Facing Bernard 1st, Because He KNEW BHop Would Fuck Up an EASY Payday...

Nonetheless, REED Made Some DECENT Coin Off Dallas Area Tito Groupies Who ONLY Knew Bernard from Losing to Roy...

Like You Said, SIMPS!!!




REED

 

Yep...

The "Boxing Media" Had an Ax to Grind w/Roy During this Period and Played Musical Chairs w/the # 1 Lb for Lb Spot as a Result...Dela, Sugar Shane and Tito All Played Hot Potato w/the Designation, Knowing Full Well Roy was STILL Faaaaaaaaar and Away the Best in the World, All the While...

They Even Coined the Term "Roycott", But Common BOXING Sense Eventually Prevailed...





REED

 

The P4P rankings are very subjective. Mosley was coming off a major win off De La Hoya who at that time was like Money Mayweather in terms of ppvs. And Trinidad was on a hot streak. While Roy to no real fault of his own was fighting mandatory Police men and Taxi drivers. Being P4P doesn't mean you can beat anyone 3 weight classes above your own. Yes obviously Roy beats Trinidad but it's also about what you have done lately. While Jones was busy defending his title against b level competition. Trinidad was moving up in weight daring to be great. If you want to equate that into some weird conspiracy theory against Roy that's OK too .

 

Make no mistake, it WAS the biggest potential matchup in boxing in 2001, I wasnt disputing that. But it's not because it was thought of as some pick em. It was because Trinidad and Jones were the two biggest stars in the sport at the time outside of Oscar.

But you framed it as if opinions on who would win were split or something. They weren't.

It was seen as a HIGHLY HIGHLY ambitious move on Tito's part, and most believed it wouldn't end well for him.

 

What REED is saying is correct. Roy wasn't a liked figure by the boxing media at the time. And it wasn't necessarily about his comp - Roy was an arrogant and aloof type of star. His personality would have made him a legend in 2021, but it didn't go over so well in 2001.

Whereas, Trinidad and Shane were both smiley, endearing media darlings. Obviously, the cokehead was THE media darling of the time.

 

I should have actually said, it was the SECOND biggest potential matchup in the sport in 2001.

Lewis-Tyson was far and away the most discussed and hyped matchup at the time.

 

I hated Jones (and predicted in their first fight Tarver would knock him out...in the Roy Jones universe forum no less!) But I don't remember anyone thinking Tito had a chance.

Even when he initially moved up to middleweight and it was assumed he would blow through the Division, I don't think anyone really thought he had a chance with Roy. The fight was talked about for sure though.

Roy was Andre Ward x 10, and everyone was already speculating Roy vs Lennox / Tyson / Holyfield.

 

Nah, the hate with Jones was that he was wasting his talents on second rate opposition. That he was aloof amd arrogant was only the cherry on the sundae. In a way, it wasn't completely his fault since the only viable challenger he didn't fought at lhw was MikaelZewski (), but it was still highly disappointing. As Boxinfan25 said, while Jones was sitting on his greatness Tito, who I don't specially like to be honest, was daring to be great.

 

that's the funny part....the idea rjj could've beaten lewis

 

If you took away the win over a weight drained James Toney and a green Bernard Hopkins would Roy's resume be that impressive? I suppose his win over paper champion Ruiz would be noteworthy from a historical/Ripley's believe it or not wax museum kind of way. Nobody really thought Roy was the HW champ of the world or that he would challenge Lewis...how silly .

 

They caught audio of Canelo & Plant talking to eachother during the 9th.

Plant says, "You're pretty good. Am I good?"

Canelo: "Yeah."

Plant: "This is a good fight right here."

Canelo: "I like it."

Plant: "I respect your skills."

Canelo: "I know."

Plant: "I'm pretty good for 21-0, right?"

Canelo ignores the question and goes back to beating him.

Poor Plant. This MF was in there looking for approval.

 

I always wondered what these guys said to each other. So many mind games are played inside the ring. I'm not a Floyd fan I do seem to remember watching one of his fights(Maybe lovemore nodou) he was looking over at the front row seats and having a full on conversation with Michael Vick. It blew my mind in such a brutal fight these guys are so relaxed and so comfortable in the ring they can fight and shoot the shit at the same time.

 

You're talking about the fight where Floyd was beating up some Puerto Rican bum whose name escapes me, and someone at ringside asked him what team he liked in the superbowl (since it was the next day).

He said, "I like Michael Vick."

 

Classic modern contemporary dumb insecure White American.

Sorry. He is.

 

Cupey Alto.

 

Picture Canelo fighting Roy, Toney, or Calz, and they ask him, "Am I good Canelo?"

 

That was Henry Bruseles.

If I remember correctly Lampley asked him another question too.

 

This is why I find things hard to follow these days. It's all Pro Wrestling. It's all soft.

 

Yeah, thanks, it was Bruseles.

And yes, I think Floyd overheard the commentary group talking and chimed in, then Lamps asked him a question and he answered.

That's not so much a sign of Floyd's ability - it's a sign that no one came to Floyd's fights up until the Gatti fight.

 

Hard to Tell if You're TROLLING or Genuinely IGNORANT About Boxing...Either Way, REED Gets Why X "Pulls Rank" On You, as You Say...

In the SAME Fucking Thread, You've Attempted to Present Canelo Alvarez as Some Misunderstood, Sympathetic Figure, While Simultaneously Labeling a Very REAL Media Backlash AGAINST Roy Jones as a "Weird Conspiracy Theory"???...

Worse, You Used the SAME, LAME Narrative Used By the SAME, LAME Media During Their Backlash/Roycott..."Police Men and Taxi Drivers"...

1st of All, if You "Know Your Boxing", It's Common Knowledge the VAST Majority of Fighters Hold DAY Jobs When They're Not Training for Fights...

Marvin Hagler Worked for the Petronelli Brother's Construction Company for Fuck's Sake...Even Today, if a Fighter Isn't Regularly Main Eventing, Co-Main Eventing Or in the Good Graces of PBC, Top Rank, Golden Boy or Matchroom, Chances Are He HAS a DAY Job....

2nd of All, Roy Fought 1 Police Officer...Prior to the Police Officer, He Fought Griffin 2x, Hill, Del Valle and Then Grant...After the Police Officer He Fought Johnson, Telesco, Hall, Harding and Harmon...

Nonetheless, the Media Created a SHIT Narrative That You Willingly Accepted and Continue to Regurgitate to This Very Day...





REED

 

"Weight Drained Toney"..."Green Bernard Hopkins"...."Paper Champion Ruiz"...

Bruh, You Could've SPARED Us All 2 Pages of Dialogue By Admitting the OBVIOUS; You're a Roy HATER...

As You Were...SIMP...




REED

 

He proved himself not worthy of being taken seriously the moment he compared fighting Kirkland with fighting Roy.

 

Perhaps from YOUR Perspective and That of Some Fans, But w/the MEDIA Specifically, the Reasoning was Different...

Roy WAS Arrogant and Aloof, to the Point of Routinely Showing Up HOURS Late to Press Conferences, if at All, and Seeming DISINTERESTED When he Did Bother to Show Up...

Because of This, the Fact Roy was Independent to a FAULT, and Didn't Have the Requisite Promoters Until LATE In His Career, it Rubbed the Media the WRONG Way...& From There, Roy's Resume was NITPICKED More Than Any Other Fighter's in the History of Boxing...

WHAT You're Saying is Accurate, But REED's Point is Roy's OWN Attitude LED to the Media Treating Him as Such, Because By Your OWN Admission, Roy Literally Cleaned Out '75, w/the Exception of MichalSHITski...





REED

 

Man this is sad

 

Roy's light heavyweight comp sure did age well, btw. He was battering guys like Gonzalez and Woods, who went on to be contenders/belt holders in the division years after Roy beat them. It wasn't solely about the comp. The boxing media didn't like Roy's personality.

They now suck his dick and call him "GOAT" everytime they run up on him for an interview.

 

Tell me this aint true. Holy fuck it's pathetic

 

Its 100% true.

 

Caleb went from: "Fuck him! There is no respect! I'm a dog."

To: "Lemme try to make friends with him, and hope he lets me last the distance."

 

Thats just it… while it wasn’t just about his competition (he destroyed everyone pretty much equally regardless of where they ‘ranked’- it really was like Roy was from a different planet), the ‘Roycott’ proponents made out like it was ALL about his level of competition, even to the point of going on for years about how Roy was ducking (!) Michelchewski! Very absurd.. Roy at his peak, was the most unbeatable boxer!

 

Roy opposition in that.stretch wasn't terrible, but it was also far from great. It was dissapointing to see rj wasting his time fighting guys that had no shot against him. Now, as others have said, it's true that there wasnt a ton of good guys at or near his weight, so it's hard to completely blame him for that