Crawford-Porter: Final Predictions, Discussions, RbR

Porter retired!

 

Not shocked. Porter had been giving me the vibe that he doesn’t want to fight anymore. He probably got a decent paycheck from this fight and he’s got a good gig as a commentator.

 

crawford wont fight him, and it makes zero sense for him to do so. but he'd be favored. and depending on how the odds opened up it is a big money making opportunity if it did occur early next year. you know this. if crawford opened as a -250 it would get bet down immediately

 

Beaten 9-3 by Brook. Beaten 8-4 by Thurman and Spence. Stopped by Crawford. Lost in the eyes of most to Ugas.

Thats Shawn's legacy. That of a 2nd tier welterweight. His defining win was a 7-5 decision over Danny Garcia, who saw his best days at 140.

There are fighters in the sport FAARRR more deserving of the title "chronically underrated" than Porter.

 

Porter retired and Crawford's leaving ESPN. Interesting for the division.

 

I think there should be a sort of an injured / bumfest series now with Porter, Thurman, Timmy the Mallet, Khan, Brook, etc all fighting each other.

 

Crawford looked good from the few highlights I've seen.

 

Everytime I see Crawford, Ricky Burns goes up in my estimation.

 

Worth a read to how much has changed in 7 years....

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/sport/boxing/26404046.amp

 

It's weird reading those scorecards, when I watched it I barely had Burns winning a second of that fight.

 

I know. I thought he got trounced. But I wasn't watching it- I was following it on this forum. Hut was jokingly saying he had Burns ahead.

Again, it amazes me in hindsight how well Burns actually did, even going the 12 rounds.

 

Crawford was still coming into his own at 135.

I think at 140 he entered his peak.

 

Burns WBO title reign was

Raymundo Beltran - burns clearly lost and beltran got robbed
Jose A Gonzalez
Kevin Mitchell
Moses Paulus
Michael Katsidis
Nicky Cook
Joseph Laryea
Andreas Evensen

 

Disagreed, didn't see the stoppage so can't comment on it specifically, but if you have this mindset, you simply shouldn't bring your son into boxing nor be part of his corner.

 

Thurman Didn't Beat Porter 8-4, Bruh...

Porter's Legacy is that he FOUGHT EVERYBODY in the Division...Brook, Broner, Danny, Thurman, Ugas, Spence and then Crawford...Sure, Shawn Porter Took Some L's, But he Left NO Stones Unturned Either...

He @ Least DARED to Be Great, Even as he Fell Short of It...

For the Last Decade or So, '47 has Been the Deeeeeeeeeeeepest Division in the Sport, But @ the Same Time it's Been the Most DISAPPOINTING Division Based on the Bouts that NEVER Materialized...

We Certainly CAN'T Blame Shawn Porter for Any of That Because Again, He Fought EVERYBODY...& Until Last Night, NOBODY Wiped Their Ass w/Porter Either...





REED

 

I haven't watched it in years, but yeah, I thought Thurman won 8 rounds. It was a competitive fight, but not particularly close.

 

The stoppage wasn't all that bad, because the outcome was inevitable.

 

Along w/Neil, Brother X Has Always Had a Healthy DISLIKE for Shawn Porter, So Take His Comments w/a Grain of Salt...

Yes, Crawford was FULLY in Control of Things, Dropped Porter Twice and REED Himself Would've Been Fine w/a Stoppage Had There Been a 3rd Knockdown...But the TIMING of the Stoppage was Complete and Utter Bullshit on the Part of Kenny Porter...

Kenny's ALWAYS Been a Bit "Thirsty" as They Say...Self Absorbed, AWARE of the Camera's and Looking to Insert HIMSELF Into the Mix...The Stoppage Last Night was VERY Consistent w/That Facet of Kenny Porter...

After the 2nd Knockdown, Porter was Literally BEATING the Canvas in Anger, PISSED @ Himself for Getting Dropped Again...Similar to Buster Douglas Banging the Canvas w/His Glove After Tyson Dropped Him, Only Porter was Even MORE Demonstrative...COHERENT AF, In Other Words...

Porter's Legs were STEADY as He Rose and There Kenny Was, Standing on the Ring Apron, Stopping the Fight...In the Moment, Shawn's IMMEDIATE Reaction was to Give His Ol' Man a "WTF" Look, Then He Turned His Back and Walked Away...Again, This was Shawn's IMMEDIATE Reaction...

The Post-Fight Interview was DISGRACEFUL; Kenny Making it About HIMSELF, per Usual..."Preparation", Basically Saying "Had Shawn Just Listened to ME and Did What I Wanted Him to Do, He'd Have Won the Fight"...Granted, Kenny DIDN'T Say That, But that was His TONE for Sure...

It's Called the HURT Business for a Reason and a Tough, Proud, Ballsy Fighter Like Shawn Porter DESERVED Better...No 2 Ways About It, It was a BULLSHIT Stoppage...

The Retirement is a KNEE JERK Reaction...REED Thinks Shawn Will Be Back and If/When he Does Return, His Ol' Man DOESN'T Need to Be in his Corner...



REED

 

Yes, the Outcome Seemed Rather Inevitable, But it was STILL a Bullshit Stoppage Bruh...

Both Things Can Be True, Simultaneously...





REED

 

Not at all. I was looking at the stoppage from a perspective of a father (with a son), its totally independent of boxing.

Kenny knew damn well what was coming. He knew that his son was spent, he knew that his son was mentally broken, and he knew that he was son was in with the most accurate puncher and best finisher in the sport. He ALSO knew that this was Shawn's retirement fight.

What did he have to gain by letting his son go on??? Please, tell me... the fuck did he gave to gain?

What you said makes zero sense, cause if I truly hated Shawn, I would want the fight to continue.

Your responsibility as a father supercedes your role as a trainer. If you see all the red flags, you do what you know is best for your kid.

I know we're supposed to live by the code of boxing comes before all, but its a bullshit code to live by. This game dont give a fuck about fighters - only their families do.

Imagine us FANS, and members of the media having the AUDACITY to tell a father, "Youre in the wrong for not letting your son get hurt more for our amusement."

 

Having said that, I've never liked Kenny. He has indeed tried to hog the limelight for Shawn's whole career.

 

That's Just It, the Roles HAVE to Be Separate...

If You're the Caring, Sensitive Sort, Kindly SIT Your Ass Ringside and Watch Your Son Fight...Knowing Full Well Kenny Porter is ALWAYS Shawn's Father, His ROLE Last Night was That of a TRAINER...Periodt...

OBJECTIVELY Speaking, That was a PISS POOR Time to STOP the Fight, By ANY Measure...Dad, Grand Dad, Uncle, Whatever...SHIT Stoppage...

You Call the "Code" Bullshit? Tell That to a FIGHTER...What was the Last Thing LaMotta Said to Robinson Even AS he Got Stopped???? "You NEVER Knocked Me Down, Ray, You NEVER Knocked Me Down"...The Shit MATTERS to a Fighter...The Shit MATTERED to Shawn Porter...

The WTF Look Shawn Gave His Ol' Man Spoke VOLUMES...Did You MISS That Part???...Did You MISS Him Turning His Back and Walking AWAY From His Ol' Man, in Disgust???...

What Did He Have to Gain???...Potentially WEATHERING the Storm and LASTING the Distance, That's What, Which Would Sting a Helluva Lot LESS Than Having His Daddy Throw in the Towel PREMATURELY...

Last Night Reinforced Why 99.9999% of Father-Son Relationships FAIL in the Sport of Boxing...& The Backlash Kenny is Almost UNIVERSALLY Receiving from the Boxing Community is WARRANTED...

"Oh, He's MY SON, He Could've Been HURT"...Yeah, and a Fucking BUS Could've Ran His Son Over Also, as he Walked the Vegas Strip...Shit Happens...

Considering Porter Had NEVER Been Stopped Previously, Nor Had he Come Even Remotely CLOSE to Being Stopped Previously, it was a SHITTY ASS Way to Go Out...

He Deserved Better...




REED

 

That Played a Part in the Stoppage, in REED's Opinion...

Kenny HOGGING the Spotlight, as Usual, Then Verbally SHITTING On His Son in the Post-Fight Interview...He Certainly Wasn't CARING and SENSITIVE Once that Microphone was in His Face...





REED

 

I think he both loves Shawn, and is an attention whore who does too much. But its not the boxing community's place to criticize his decision.

If Shawn is exhibiting CTE symptoms 10 years from now, the "boxing community" will be nowhere to be found. N O W H E R E to be found. It'll be Kenny and the rest of Porter's family enduring it.

 

I get your thinking, boxing is an awful sport and in a perfect world, it wouldn't exist (well no, in a perfect world it would exist but wouldn't cause brain damage, but now were taking fairy tales).

Still, once you decide to make the leap, I feel like you and your corner got to take the good as well as the bad ,especially when you are paid millions to do so. If you are worried about the long term consequences, then become a lawyer or any other profession who doesn't require getting punch in the face (and there's a ton of them )

It doesn't mean we should expect boxer to fight until they are incapacitated or out cold, but to fight until it becomes dangerous AND pointless to continue (see Davis vs Benavidez last week as an example of what is absolutely justified imo).

Yet from what I read, that wasn't the case with Porter yesterday. If every fight would get stopped after a kd or 2 or once a fighter gets badly wobbled, boxing is as good as dead and we'd be better of watching curling instead

 

THat's not bad for a "British Level" fighter.

And he was expected to get battered by Katsidis.

 

Shawn Porter didn't "Fake" it last night, he did fight well.

He has a shit corner.

He looked like he was trying 3,4 different styles.

Outside of turning southpaw, he pretty much adopted every other possible style.

Bad coaching, as evidenced by his idiot fathers comments.

Also, speaking of idiots, Max Kellerman take a bow.

Crawford looked better and was better right from the get go.

Kellermans comments that "Porter is a 7-1 underdog against NOBODY"........please.

 

I don't actually think the stoppage - even in a vacuum - was that bad.

They were to clean shots and Porter, while still being able to think straight and process things, was clearly hurt. Lets not forget, Porter has never been down twice in the same round before, and Crawford is clearly a big puncher.

I do think it was a little early, but it wasn't the worst thing I've ever seen, and Crawford was gonna take Porter the fuck out within 15 seconds anyway. I completely agree with X saying Shawn's dad did the right thing.