What's he better at?

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  1. George Crowcroft

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    Cotto had a better jab than Tito.
     
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    no way!
     
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    I'm not willing to die on this hill. I just remember Cotto having a really good jab and don't really remember Tito having one.
     
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    Tito had a very good jab. He also had a good deal of body punch stoppages, so I ain't giving it to Cotto in that area either. I actually find Cotto overrated as a body puncher.

    If you compare their fights with Mayorga - Tito is the one who broke Mayorga down with body punches. Cotto head hunted all night.

    Cotto was NOT a better body puncher.

    I fully maintain what I originally said - Cotto had better lateral movement. That's it.
     
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    Ricky Hatton and Barry McGuigan.

    Hatton had quicker feet and hands. Both had wicked left hooks to the body, they're about equal there.

    McGugian was better schooled - much better jab, better punching technique, better headmovement.

    I also think that McGugian had better stamina, if you don't account for the Cruz fight where he fell apart due to the heat.
     
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    Michael Nunn and Demetrius Andrade.

    Andrade is much better at avoiding quality opposition, and is far more skilled at dressing like a maricon.
     
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    Agreed. Cotto was.one of the,.if not the, best bodypuncher of the last.25 years
     
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    There is no way in living Hell Cotto is the best body puncher of the last 25 years.
     
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    Honestly, Mosley was a better body puncher than Cotto, and I wouldn't say Shane was the best body puncher of the last 25 years.
     
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    Young Mosley was a good body puncher but I don't really see why he should be regarded as a better body puncher than Cotto.

    That said, Cotto isn't the best either. The last 25 years includes Jones, Toney, Tito, and Barrera. Maybe you could argue Cotto is the best in the last 15 years, but even then guys like Inoue, GGG, Canelo and Rigo are pretty damn good at it.
     
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    I think that’s debatable. But even if it’s true, Trinidad’s overall offense was definitely better. Better left hook, right cross, uppercut, better combination puncher, and a better body puncher.

    I think Tito’s ring IQ was better as well and he had faster hands.

    Cotto had better movement but with Trinidad’s ability to control distance and cut the ring off, it wouldn’t matter.
     
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    Because if you take both in their primes, lightweight Mosley was a better body puncher than Cotto ever was.
     
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    Mosley was a.great body puncher at.lightweight, but he pretty much stopped going down after moving up. I personally think only jones or barrera has a claim of being betterbody punchers than cotto
     
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    Scratch that, the title probably belongs to jirov
     
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    watch tito vs. reid, or tito vs. campas. his jab was pivotal. cotto's jab was something he did when he was bored (exaggeration but you get my point).
     
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    I don't see it. Mosley's body punching has always been overrated IMO.
     
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    I'll rewatch it, because I don't even remember Tito using a job often but Cotto definitely didn't just jab when he was bored. He had a very good, heavy jab which seemed to rattle people on impact. As I said though, not willing to die on this hill.
     
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    That part of Doub's statement was an inaccurate exaggeration.

    Cotto had a good jab.
     
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    Nah. He abandoned it at 147-154, but at 135, Shane's body attack was pretty awesome.
     
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    I don't really give a fuck about Mosley or Cotto, so I'm gonna drop this but I think we can both agree that Cotto's body work isn't the best of the last twenty five years nor better than Tito's.
     
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    Arguello and Azumah Nelson.

    Nelson was quicker of hand and foot, and Nelson had better head movement. I think Arguello was better in every other area.
     
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    I could see an argument for Nelson having a better chin and a better jab, but then I could also see an argument for Arguello being better in both areas and having faster hands.
     
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    Valdez and Canelo.

    Rodrigo hit way harder, had better stamina and was quicker on his feet. Canelo seems to be tougher, more athletic and have better skills.
     
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    Probably a wash in chin. Both had excellent chins.
     
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    Nelo has a diet that Valdez didn't have access to...
     
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    Qawi and Beterbiev.

    Beterbiev is stronger, bigger and has more power.

    Qawi is better at literally everything.

    And somebody on ESB just said, Beterbiev would KO Qawi in two.
     
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    Beter is a bigger puncher than Qawi, that's literally it.

    I can't see stronger. Qawi was in with Big George was for Christ sake, and even though George was certainly pushing Qawi back, he wasn't just throwing him around like a rag doll. Beter has never showed his physical strength against anyone worth a damn.

    And lol @ those ESB dumbfucks. That's why I don't post there anymore.

    Classic was really good like 3 years ago, but ever since Classic went to shit, I decided to stop posting there regularly.
     
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    Diego Corrales and Gerald McClellan.

    McClellan more athletic and explosive, and a much better chin.

    Corrales a lot more crisp, and accurate, and much much better stamina.

    Neither were good defensively, but Chico was fairly decent at blocking and parrying.

    McClellan caught everything flush. Truly a terrible defense.
     
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    Lol, qawi would beat beterbiev something fierce. The only thing that impresses me with beterbiev, his is ability to drain the stamina out of his opponents, even if be doesn't land much. But that's wouldn't work against qawi
     
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    Beterbiev isn't even a lock over Michalczewski, let alone Qawi.
     
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