Greater fighter Trinidad or Canelo?

That Yildrim fella lost to Eubanks Jr didn't he? And who the hell was that British bloke he lost to after Canelo? I honestly can't even remember his name FFS.

Aye, fancy he'd beat Woods.

MTF

 

He got brayed by a prime RJJ. So he's shit.

MTF

 

yeah but the ruiz fight happened after the hall fight, and he was definitely roided up for it.

 

I never saw Trinidad persevere in a fight where his opponent was as good as he was..

 

The biggest difference is those guys were Undefeated Champions Clinton Woods was not. You think Woods was better than Saunders and Smith simply because he was competitive with an atg. I think I see what you're doing here. By exaggerating Jones Jr's victories you are inadvertently elevating his competiton(all the UK fighters Jones whooped on). So that makes your local fighters seem greater by proxy. That's what this is all about.

 

Jesus wept.

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Not only that but his career defining win was a gift by Don King. DlH gave him a boxing lesson and they robbed him.

 

Jack Cullen? Pretty sure he's from Salford.

 

Aye, he sounds vaguely familiar. I honestly couldn't tell you if he's any good or not.

MTF

 

He's not. Pretty sure he got knocked out by a 20/1 underdog a couple weeks ago. I remember him for having a North Face logo tattooed on his back, which is the most Salford thing I've ever heard

 

None of that is much of a surprise. I'll stick to my original proposition. I reckon Clinton Woods might have beaten the guy who lost to this guy.

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I've never understood why people were so outraged by the decision in DLH-Tito. A Trinidad win was completely justified IMO, although I had it a draw. Even without that fight, he still has Vargas, Joppy, Campas, Reid, Blocker, etc

And imagine bringing up controversial decisions for the other guy while talking about Canelo.

 

What are you talking about. You have no idea what you're saying. Comparing the significance of DLH vs Trinidad to Tito wins over Vargas, Reid, Joppy and Campas for ffs. Are you just doing a boxrec search or do you even have a clue what you're saying. I'll just say this. You had to be there to understand how big of a fight dlh vs Trinidad was. And no it wasn't justified he was robbed even the Most hard core Chupapimuyenyo Tito fans will admit years later it was a robbery.

 

That's not at all what I'm saying. I was saying Tito's résumé outside of the DLH fight was still brilliant. Don't patronise me, I've seen all of these fights which I've mentioned.

 

This is a guy who reckons Clinton Woods was total shit because he watched him in one fight and because he wasn't an undefeated champion and because he didn't fight Americans. I'd bet all the money I have that you've seen more Tito fights than this guy.

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If you want to talk about robberies, how about Canelo v GGG I? One of the most corrupt decisions you will ever see.

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Let's not turn this into a pissing contest. Anybody can literally go on YouTube and watch old fights. But that's not going to give you the entire picture surrounding a fight. All the buzz leading up to that mega fight that broke ppv records. I understand he's young and only got to see the fight on youtube decades later to not his fault of his own. But he doesn't really understand the magnitude of the DLH vs Trinidad fight. I'm not trying to patronize anyone here or pull Rank just trying to paint clearer picture of the actual event.

 

Absolutely none of that has to do with watching, and scoring the fight. None of it.

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So let me get this straight. You think if Tito had never fought Dela Hoya his resume would still be brilliant? I disagree completely. Are any of those guys atg? Hof? Campas, Joppy, Reid, Vargas are good not great fighters. What Irish was saying is that Trinidad never beat anybody that was as good as him. He lost to DLH imo and his second career defining moment he was given a good hiding. I meant it wasn't even close. At least Canelo has never been embarrassed and knocked out like that. You could argue the Lara and GGG fights were close or that he lost them but they never dominated Canelo or Gave him a beating like Hopkins gave to Trinidad.

 

For all practical purposes Canelo beat GGG. Officially 1 win and 1 Draw. So let's move forward.

 

Floyd schooled the shit out of Canelo.

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Aye, of course he did.

MTF

 

In practical terms one of the judges had it a draw.

 

I'm glad you brought up Mayweather. First Canelo was only 23 years old not prime Canelo of today and yes experience in the ring matters don't say that it doesn't. Tito was in his prime demolishing anyone that got on his way from 154 to 160 until he ran into an ATG Hopkins. That's the difference. Green Canelo may have been outboxed by a seasoned MW arguably the best defensive boxer that ever lived. But Canelo was never hurt, dropped, or in any danger of being stopped by Mayweather. In fact one of the judges gave it to Canelo if I'm not mistaken it was a split Decision. Piss poor comparison. Try again.

 

Quite.

MTF

 

It's a good job I brought him up. You conveniently forgot him.

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And none of the judges gave 'Green Canelo' (42 fights prior) the win in that fight. One fool gave him a draw, then promptly retired immediately afterwards. Not a single person on earth other than him gave Canelo anything.

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Oh, and Mayweather was not a 'seasoned MW'. He fought precisely zero middleweight fights.

Other than these issues, great post.

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I was too lazy to type Mayweather. Mw=Floyd Mayweather

 

Yes, I think that even without a win over DLH, Trinidad's resume is still brilliant, and would be one of the best in boxing today. Vargas, Joppy, Reid, Campas, Blocker, Pendleton, Sweet Pea, Camacho, and Carr is a brilliant résumé IMO. Tell you what, if we take away Canelo's 'win' over GGG the same way you're taking away Tito's over DLH, then I'd pick Trinidad's resume over Canelo's.

The only time Canelo has fought anyone as good as peak Hopkins he lost every round, and if Mayweather wasn't a super featherweight with bad hands, and was really three weight classes bigger than Canelo, like Hopkins was than Tito, Canelo would've gotten battered as well.