Crawford vs Arum

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  1. Punk

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    Apparently Arum is RACIST.

    Thoughts?
     
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    I think if that was the case, someone would have brought attention to it sooner. Someone like this guy.

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    Crawford aint Ali or leonard. If he was arum would've pushed him more. But those guys made it happen for themselves. Crawfords self marketing aint on that level. With Mayweather Jr you can tell arum clearly dropped the ball. Then again after a certain point Mayweather Jr wasn't as invested in that aspect and realized he was better off getting away from the biggest jew in harvard
     
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    Both are true.

    Crawford is terrible at self promotion, and Arum has always put more emphasis on marketing his Latino and Eastern Euro fighters.
     
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    But isn’t that more to do with the money being in those markets?
     
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    What does that even mean? There's billions of dollars in the Black community. TR just doesnt bother trying to promote to Blacks like they do Latinos.
     
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    Arum is a complete cunt, even if the race issue is real - which I don't know enough about how TR promotes fighters to weigh in on, they're virtually all unknown here regardless - so I want Crawford to win this case. The day Arum either retires, or dies, will be a good day for boxing.
     
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    I heard the Grim Reaper came for Arum 5 years ago. He's still alive because he keeps telling death: "Now's not the right time. We gotta let it marinate one more year, then my death will be much bigger."
     
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    I guess this kills a Crawford vs Taylor fight
     
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    Yeaaaaa, I would say so.

    Josh will end up fighting Lopez, despite saying he won't.

    There are zero names at 140 outside of Fimo.
     
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    I say a post on Twitter saying Taylor is fighting Conor Benn. Obviously, he isn't, but if he wants to make a statement and become known to the British public, a win over Benn on Sky would go a long way for that; so would a win over the winner of Brook-Khan. Shame I can't see either of those happening.
     
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    I'm all for Taylor-Benn.

    Josh is a lot more skilled, but he's hittable, and Benn can crack, so it's a good matchup.

    I would have no interest in seeing Josh beat up the corpses of Khan/Brook.
     
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    crawford blaming racism because he can't draw shit. lol. pathetic.
     
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    Yeah, really a bad look from Crawford to complain about racism when he's a multimillionaire and being consistently paid far over his market value. Don't get me wrong, Arum might really well be a racist and yes, he promotes far more/better his Hispanic fighters (but that's mostly due to Top Rank having cornered thar market than any racial bias imo). But this just seems like a cheap ploy to piggyback on the social awakening movement going on.
     
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    the reason Arum didn't promote Floyd more is not that he had the Golden boy and was tapping into the Latino market but it was because knew Floyd was a con man. he was just trying to protect us(Fans) from getting ripped off from Floyd vs Paul, Macgregor and Uchiyama type of crap fights. He's a hero in my book. lol
     
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    Speaking of Floyd he got himself in a pickle by endorsing some cryptocurrency IPO and participating in a pump and dump scheme. wouldn't be surprised if he ended up broke and in jail. This is some wolf of wall street type shit. Floyd is graduating from a wife-beater to embezzlement lol.
     
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    Save your shekels for Mayweather Jr vs belhasa, pussy
     
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    I don't doubt that it's true that TR hasn't tried to reach this huge demographic, but is it just a TR problem? How many promotional outfits right now or in recent past have deliberately (incl. dedicating resources over long period of time to achieving it) tried to target a African American boxing audience to build a star in the same way that they have for Mexican/PR? PBC have a lot of black fighters but their promotional efforts appear to me to be fairly half-hearted across the board. Is it promoters not investing time and money to build that potentially huge audience for boxing, or is it a calculation that its too hard compared to other groups?
     
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    Crawford reminds me of SOG. Very talented and P4P the best in and around his weight class but because of his boring style and dull personality he never became a household name. Goes to show some guys can have all the talent in the world but it doesn't equal ppv numbers. Having said that in Crawford's case Arum hasn't helped the situation. His comments about Crawford are unprofessional. A good promoter is not suppose to make Negative statements about their fighter. Arum works for Bud not the other way around. Not sure if Arum is a racist but he's definitely an incompetent promoter at his senile age. Bud has the talent to become a bigger name in boxing.
     
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    Crawford is a likable guy. Very down to Earth and funny.

    SOG has always come across as an arrogant dick.
     
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    I find Crawford's style quite fan-friendly. I can't speak about the promotional stuff as I haven't been keeping up with the politics but as a boxer he's good to watch, I can't see it being down to that.
     
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    I guess what I mean is that Arum doesn’t come across as racist, just more lazy. You are right about black people spending billions, but that requires work to tap into it. Arum’s roots in the Hispanic promotion game are deep. He is too old to do that much work.
     
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    unfortunately, it seems that being exciting is not really important when it comes to popularity nowadays. ''Charisma'' is more important. Hence why money May became such a star, even though he was a huge bore
     
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    maybe down to earth and funny doesn't appeal to the audience. maybe crawford is not gangster enough and doesn't have the ostentatious clothing.
     
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    Crawford's main problem imo is that he doesn't fight compelling opposition. Who cares to see a fighter of his caliber defeats mean machine, 1 leg Benavidez or shot Brits. Don't get me wrong, I don't think he would be a big draw regardless (unfortunately for some of the reasons you've listed), but he would be much much more popular.
     
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    Pac getting robbed against Horn pretty much ruined Crawford's drawing potential, because we would have gotten Crawford to retire Pacquiao, i think, in my mind
     
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