Prime Bernard Hopkins vs. Jermain Taylor

Golovkin isn't a big puncher than Trinidad. I always maintained that Golovkin was more a thudding, Chavez-esque puncher, where every punch is damaging, and can ruin your body/face over the course of a fight - which is explains why he basically ended Brook's career.

Trinidad was a snapping puncher, similar to Jackson. Not ON PAR with Jackson in terms of power, but they were both snapping punchers.

Tito was more capable of ending a fight with one or two shots than Golovkin, and he demonstrated that over his career against better opposition.

Color me unimpressed that Golov was blowing out guys like Macklin and Geale.

Trinidad isn't being overrated. He's the most proven fighter in this discussion.

The MYTH of Golovkin is being overrated.

 

There's no basis for making Golovkin, nevermind Jacobs, a big favorite over Tito.

Trinidad never lost to a guy he could find. That doesn't mean he couldn't, but he never did.

Hopkins... he could barely land on. Wright... he could barely land on.

Golovkin would be there for him to hit. Again, that doesn't mean Golovkin wouldn't be capable of beating him, but it's enough to make the matchup very debatable.

Trinidad had a different type of power than Canelo. If he could find Golovkin consistently, I'm not sure how Golov's chin holds up. He never faced that kind of firepower... because his opposition was a joke.

 

Whatever type of puncher GGG is, it's a bigger one than Trinidad because he's far bigger. And even if he is fully cable of grinding people down, he's shown he's capable of taking tough guys out in one punch.

I don't know why you think Tito is more of a Jackson type. He sits firmly in the grind them down-Zarate type puncher in my eyes. He may have done it against far better competition, but they were all far smaller.

Colour me in unimpressed with Tito being fucking dismantled, stopped and 100% outclassed in his only test at middleweight.

You don't think GGG's chin could hold up to Trinidad's power?? But De La Hoya's could? Give over. GGG would easily take Tito's punch. No welterweight with the outside chance of Robinson is stopping GGG.

It's not even about GGG specifically, it's about any top middleweight. They'd all beat the fucking shit out of Trinidad. He just isn't a middleweight. Tito is a more proven fighter than GGG, he isn't even close to the more proven middleweight. He moved up and was probably on the level of like, idk, Tony Sibson or something.

Point being, he isn't beating any great middleweights. Least not one who rehydrates 15lbs+, has an absolutely granite chin and is an absolute destroyer.

 

I think 2001 Hopkins beats the holy hell out of both of them and neither would be any more competitive than Trinidad was.

Both guys would lose extremely one sidedly against that version of B-Hop, stoppage or no stoppage.

 

Tito got smashed pillar to post and had zero success. Then got stopped.

Canelo and GGG would literally have to do nothing but show to do better than that.

 

Trinidad would stop Jacobs as well, or beat him via convincing UD.

Jacobs is a very good fighter. But not on any sort of level to beat a fighter of Trinidad’s caliber.

 

As would Canelo and GGG. Neither guy has anything for Hopkins. Nothing to trouble him with.

That’s hardly an indictment on how Trinidad would do against the likes of Canelo, Golovkin and Jacoba since those three are not close to B-Hop’s level.

 

Canelo and Golovkin would be far more competitive than Tito was. I don't see how this even up for debate. The gap between those two and Hopkins is being overstated. Both GGG and Canelo would have small patches of success. More of them than Tito ever did.

What my point in bringing up the Hopkins fight is, isn't everyone beats Tito like Hopkins did because Hopkins did. It's that the way Hopkins annihilated Trinidad means a much lesser fighter is still favourite. Especially when the only other thing Trinidad ever did at the weight was beat up a third rater. It makes far more sense to favour the far bigger, and highly proven fighters in their own right.

 

I'm with George here. Hopkins beats both GGG and Canelo but they're definitely more competitive than Tito was imo.

 

is jacobs really better than joppy?

I'm far from sure.

Edit: after thinking for a few seconds, yeah, he clear is

 

Jacobs just got beat by Gabe Rosado. He's been overrated for years.

 

Jacobs is just a good fighter. The fact that he was competitive with Golovkin and Canelo shows that they’re both extremely overrated.

I can’t say for sure if he’s better than Joppy, but he wouldn’t beat Trinidad. He’d also have problems with lower tier guys like Echols and Mercado.

 

why would canelo go into a shell? LeMieux is better than Joppy, btw.

 

I dont buy that. Lemeiux really is pretty shitty.

I think Joppy would have outclassed Lemeiux.

 

Way back in the mid 90s, I think, I remember watching the Russ Abner training videos and Lemeiux was in them. He was just a kid then. The teaching he was receiving was flawed from the jump.

 

Yeah, I heard about that.

Joppy is really starting to get sold short here. He was far from a bum.

Danny Jacobs has struggled with far lesser fighters. I dont see him as some lock over Joppy.

I see Danny Jacobs as a very poor man's Jermain Taylor.

 

Joppy was...okay. He didn't suck, I didn't think he was too good, but he was good in the era in which he fought.
Jacobs ...his era was probably not as good as the Joppy era. I don't think much of him but I haven't seen enough to make me want to see more.
In the gym, I believe that you can learn a lot by watching, so I suggest a lot of fighters to guys that I teach. No Joppy, Jacobs, or Jermain Taylor on the list. You would be suprised how many guys come to learn how to fight that haven't watched much boxing.

 

I agree with Doub, Lemiuex would knock Joppy out.