Were Catterall/Kambosos BETTER Than We Thought OR Were Taylor/Lopez WORSE Than We Thought???

Stoppage in six is going too far.

Gamboa went past six.

 

Bud's a Better Fighter TODAY Than He Was 8 Years Ago @ '35...




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1. Crawford was pre-prime when he fought Gamboa, and at the worst of his three weights. Hardly comparable to the seasoned fighter he is now.

2. Josh would have been stopped inside of 8 last night by an extremely average fighter if that average fighter had any finishing ability. Crawford is the consensus best finisher in the game.

3. He stopped Porter in 10. Porter has a MUCH better chin than Josh.

Why in the world would a 6 round TKO be a stretch?

 

Exactly. Theres no comparison.

 

Not by that much.

Taylor is literally 25lbs bigger than Gamboa and far tougher, too. That makes more of a difference than improvements Crawford has made.

 

Dude, Catt almost stopped him inside of 8. Weight drained or not, Taylor gets buzzed in most fights.

 

Crawford rehydrated over 20lbs when he was at LW, and was facing a featherweight who's always had a bad chin. Crawford at 135 is absolutely 'comparable' to where he is now.

Taylor wasn't in danger of being stopped last night. He was dropped, but finished that round strong. Catterall might have no finishing ability, but he didn't even badly hurt Taylor at any point - including the knockdown.

The Porter fight isn't really relevant. Taylor and Porter two completely different styles, Taylor has a much better defence than Porter does and is nowhere near as aggressive. Crawford may have stopped Porter, but he wasn't badly hurt and the only reason that stoppage was fair is because Porter would've become a punching bag had it carried on. Not because he was badly hurt, which he wasn't.

Put it this way, Taylor would be Bud's best win. It took him twelve rounds to stop a one legged Benavidez, he couldn't stop Postol, and it took him nine rounds to stop Jeff fucking Horn.

He isn't stopping Taylor in six. Ever.

 

I dont get your crusade trying to cape for Taylor. I didn't even necessarily say that Crawford stops him in 6, but yes, it would be possible.

Taylor does not have a great chin. Taylor does not hold or look to survive when he's hurt. Taylor does a piss poor job of avoiding left hands.

He is not on this pedestal you put him on. Just a month ago you were saying he would stop Cotto at 140.

He's a good fighter. Thats it. What round would you say its acceptable to call a stoppage for Crawford? Crawford just stopped a guy who had never been stopped before.

And nah, at this point I wouldn't call Josh his best win anymore.

I'm not sure if Josh beats Porter. And I'm not sure if Josh beats the fresher version of Postol that Bud beat.
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Crawford's Faaaaaaaaaar STRONGER & More PHYSICAL @ '47 Than He Ever Was @ '35...He's Also Tweaked and Fine Tuned Himself TECHNICALLY, Since His Lightweight Days...

Bud @ '40 was BETTER Than Bud @ '35 and Bud @ '47 is BETTER Than Bud @ '40...

Taylor May Be Bigger and Tougher than Gamboa But They BOTH Leave a LOT to Be Desired Defensively and Taylor's Face Looks Like He's Been in a "Rocky" Movie After EVERY Bout...

Sorry, But a Guy That Marks, Swells, Cuts THAT Easily and CAN'T Avoid a Straight Left Hand to Save His Life AIN'T Going Past 6 Rounds w/Bud Crawford...Especially a Guy MOVING UP to Face Bud...





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It's possible in the sense anything is, but it isn't practicality.

He has a better chin than those I mentioned, is a better fighter, and has a better defence. Yet Crawford miraculously didn't stop any of them in six. A late round stoppage is a reasonable pick for Crawford but saying Taylor would go out earlier than fighters he's blatantly much better than, is ridiculous. Especially when Crawford has never stopped a fighter even remotely on Taylor's level so early.

What pedistal? I think Taylor is a very good fighter who doesn't always get his due. Especially in the UK. I was wrong about him stopping Cotto, but he wouldn't be out-classed by him. Either way, I'm saying Taylor is a better fighter than Shawn Porter. Not Roberto Duran. That's not a pedistal, that's being realistic.

Please, Taylor already beat Postol easily. Unless you think he'd slipped so far in the lone fight he had since Crawford. Crawford's best win would either be Taylor, or Porter. That's an argument over what's impressive, beating a bigger fighter or a better one.

 

Yeah, I'm sure a guy as great as Jeff Horn wouldn't see the second half either.

 

And I don't see any reason to think Crawford is better now at 147 than he was in 2016 at 140.

Progression isn't linear, and the advantages he had at 140 are all less pronounced than they are at 147. And it isn't like he's been facing all this ridiculously good comp at 147 to sharpen his skills against. He's mostly fought nobody's.

 

You Readily Acknowledge 'Fimo Being BIGGER Than Loma or Crawford Being BIGGER Than Gamboa, But You're LITERALLY Going to Sit Here and NOT Acknowledge the CLEAR Size Advantage Horn Had Over Crawford???

After Watching Horn RAGDOLL Manny Pacquiao, Many Wondered How Bud Would COPE w/Horn's PHYSICALITY In His First Bout @ '47...What we QUICKLY Learned was Bud was MUCH STRONGER @ '47 Than He Had Been @ Lower Weights...

If You're Going to Bring Up Jeff Horn @ Least Mention him in PROPER Context...Horn's a LOT Bigger /Stronger than Josh Taylor Will EVER Be & You're Fooling Yourself If You Think That WOULDN'T Be a Factor in a Crawford-Taylor Bout...





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Horn was durable enough to go 12 with a Pac that still had a bit left in the tank. Not sure Taylor even beats Horn.

JOSH ALMOST GOT STOPPED BY JACK CATTERRALL!

 

Whats the point you're trying to prove here? That maybe Josh gets ass knocked out in 8 or 9 instead of 6?

 

What size advantage? Both weighed in the low 160s on fight night. Crawford has ALWAYS been a big welterweight, even in the days he could cut down to lightweight.

Horn is also a lot shittier and a lot easier to hit than Taylor ever was. He doesn't even have a better chin.

 

No, he fucking didn't.

Taylor would kick Horn's fucking arse out the ring.

 

I don't even know why this has devolved into what it has.

All I said is it's ridiculous to think Crawford would stop Taylor quicker than he has EVERY OTHER world class fighters he fought bar one. Which it obviously is.

 

If You Can't Acknowledged the CLEAR Size Advantage Horn Had Over Crawford, There's Really NATHAN Else to Discuss...

You're SELECTIVE About Recognizing Size Advantages...Yes in the Case of 'Fimo/Loma...No in the Case of Crawford/Horn...

What's Funny is You Call 'Fimo BIGGER Than Loma Yet Still REFUSE to Accept the Possibility 'Fimo was Weight Drained vs. Kambosos...In the Next Breath, You READILY Accept Josh Taylor was Weight Drained vs. Catterall...

Whether You Realize it or Not, You're PICKING and CHOOSING Based on Your OWN Preferences...






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taylor kept overshooting with his right and left. and when he got close enough to go underneath, caterall grabbed him. taylor's lack of a jab also hurt him.

 

Go then. If there's nothing else to discuss, see ya.

In the real world, there wasn't one. They both weighed in the low 160s, like every single one of both of major their fights at 147. You wanna see a size difference? Go and watch Horn vs Pacquiao, then watch Horn vs Crawford.

Even looking at them in the ring, they look similar in weight. Crawford was a little lankier with his long arms and Horn being stockier. But their weights were the same.

I'm not picking and choosing what excuses, I'm just acknowledging what's true and what isn't. Whether you believe it or not, but Crawford is one of my favourite current fighters, I prefer him to Taylor. Same with Teofimo, and same with Prograis. It's absolutely obviously to see Taylor was weight drained as early as Monday this week. No such thing happened with Lopez against Kambosos. And don't tell me you really think size didn't play a difference in Lopez vs Loma.

Regardless, I'm not getting into that.

 

Based on WHAT????

Is Taylor better than the Pac of 5-6 years ago? I woukd say Hell no he's not.

Baranchyk went 12. Glass jaw Baranchyk.

Jesus CHRIST you overrate Taylor's abilities!

 

Based on Horn being a fucking PE Teacher

Taylor would batter Horn, I didn't say he'd stop him. He'd beat him pillar to post.

Barranchyk doesn't even half a glass jaw, he just has no defence. And Taylor won every second of that fight. I don't know why you use it as criticism of him so often.

Taylor is a better fighter than that version of Pacquiao, yes.

 

Look Here JUNIOR, if You Want to Be a DICK, We Can GO THERE In a Heartbeat...REED Gives NO Fucks, Not Even One...Tread Lightly and Respect Your Fucking Elders...

Bottom Line, You're BIASED AF, Then You Try to Clean it Up By CONSTANTLY Saying "I Actually Like 'Fimo More Than I Like Loma"...ANYONE That's Read Your Respective Posts On Them and Their Bout Can EASILY Sniff Thru the BULLSHIT Of That Statement...Just Like NOW You're Saying You "Prefer Crawford to Taylor"...REED's Calling BULLSHIT On That as Well...

By Your OWNfuckingADMISSION, Jeff Horn was STOCKIER, Bud was LANKIER...Guess What, Horn's Also TALLER...In the REAL WORLD, When a Motherfucker is STOCKIER and TALLER Than You, He's BIGGER Than You, Period!!!...It's Not a Difficult Concept to Grasp, Unless You're BIASED...

You ARE Picking and Choosing and to Label it "What's True" is a Fucking JOKE...It's YOUR Truth Which is Based on YOUR Preferences, Period...

You CANNOT Dismiss 'Fimo Being Weight Drained While Readily ACCEPTING Josh Taylor Being Weight Drained, Simultaneously...& Only a BIASED Motherfucker Would ATTEMPT To Do So, in their Very Next Breath...It's "Obvious" Taylor was Weight Drained & ALSO "Obvious" 'Fimo Wasn't???...

Yeah, If You're BIASED...





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I'm not buying that last part at all.

THE ONLY version of Pac I'd pick Taylor over is the Ugas version.

When Pac beat Horn, it was still years prior to him beating up Thurman.

When he beat Thurman, he whups Taylor's ass.

This man LOST to Jack Catterrall yesterday. What is your explanation for that??? Do you think if he was fresh at the weight, that he would have destroyed Catt? Cause it sure didn't look that way.

How does a man go from being incapable of beating Jack Catterall, to beating a still competent Manny Pacquiao???

Hows he gonna beat Pac? Explain it, I would LOVE you break it down.

Can't stop the left hand of Regis Prograis and Jack Caterrall. Whats his answer gonna be for the greatest left hand in history?

Is he gonna wear Pac down or somethin? Cause his history shows he doesn't have the chin, nor the skin to do that.

 

This shit didn't even have to go this far. What's the difference if Josh goes 6, or Josh goes maybe 2-3 rounds longer? The result would be the same. Bud standing over an unconscious Taylor.

 

The Pac that fought Hatton would put Taylor in a PINE BOX

 

agREED it DIDN'T and SHOULDN'T...

George is an Excellent Poster But he Thinks he's MASKING his Biases When In Truth They're TRANSPARENT...He Loooooooves Loma and Josh Taylor; No Harm in That...& He Gets Defensive in ANY Debate Concerning Them...No Harm in That Either...

Just Don't DENY the Obvious, That's All REED's Saying...





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Tread lightly

 

Crawford would TKO Taylor in about eleven, not KO him in six.

If you think there's no difference in that, then I'm done here.

And you should know being better than, and beating, are not synonymous.