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True. But I think the Hopkins who stopped Trinidad would have also stopped Canelo.

 

This video proves that Mike Tyson was a fraud.

 

I don't think anybody at 160 stops Canelo. I know you're not a Canelo fan but don't let your dislike for him blind you from the facts. Canelo has a granite chin. Hopkins was never a knockout artist. I can see Hopkins beating Canelo in a closely contested fight. I don't see Hopkins stopping Canelo.

 

The guy that should have a problem with it wasn't even offended. X was just being an overly sensitive little bitch. What else is new.

 

If I was overly sensitive, I would sensor your nancy ass. I have the power to do so, but do I ever use it? No. I let people say whatever the fuck they want on here, unless race or family are brought into it. So obviously, I have pretty thick skin, because I let you pollute this place with your nonsense on a daily basis.

 

A closely contested fight? LMAOOOO!!!

Hopkins would beat the tar outta Canelo. Best case is Canelo lasting the distance, but make NOOOO mistake, he's not gonna be competitive with a prime Hopkins. He'd get his ass whipped every minute of every round. Fuck is he gonna do? He can't outbox Hop. He doesn't have the power to dent Hop. He can't outfight Hop. He can't out-think Hop. He sure as FUCCCCKKKK can't outwork, or outlast Hop. How's he gonna make it close?

B-Hop would give him every bit the beating that he gave Glenn Johnson and Tito.

 

Hopkins would actually do better than Floyd did because of his size and infighting skills. He’d keep Canelo backing up all night and Canelo simply doesn’t have the speed or work rate to keep up with him.

It’s a stylistic mismatch.

Hearns and Hagler would stop Canelo for sure. Monzón would too.

 

The only basis for saying no one stops Canelo at 160 is because Golov couldn't do it, but that's avoiding the fact that these guys (Hopkins, Hagler, Monzon, Hearns, Jones, ect) were better fighters than Borat.

 

Much as it will enrage this clown to here it, Jones is the surest bet to stop Canelo at 160.

There is no way in Hell Canelo is going 12 with the Jones who destroyed Thomas Tate. No way.

 

I don't think Canelo's groupies comprehend how limited Canelo would be against a lot of all time greats.

Like, what fuckin answers would Canelo have for a Leonard? The answer is zero. He'd get punched in the face, a lot. That would be his only answer.

He fits firmly into the "very good" class. He is not an all time great.

 

Roy punches with too much speed for Canelo to take those the whole night

 

Canelo got hit with countless check hooks from Floyd, and even Plant caught him a good deal of em.

Roy takes his head clean off.

There's no "glass jaw" Roy nonsense that his ass clown talks about. Roy was KO'd at 35 years of age after taking off 25 pounds of muscle. And Tarver was a much bigger hitter than Canelo.

At 160-168, he wasn't seriously buzzed ever, much less KO'd. But Canelo wouldn't be able to find him anyway. He has short arms, and extremely slow feet. To even attempt closing the distance on Roy, he'd have to over-extend, and Jones would have allllll day to counter him.

 

Volume , movenent, , variety, reach, one shot power....its truly amazing just how far Canelo falls short in so many categories at the very highest elite levels.

 

It's amazing how far bought judges, and a few merely "decent" guys like Smith, BJS, and Plant will go in fooling people.

 

Reggie Johnson was a FUCK OF A LOT better than Blow Job Saunders. Roy wipes him out, this clown would write it off. Canelo stops Saunders, he's rushing to declare Canelo a God.

Virgil Hill was several light years better than Plant. Roy obliterates him in one of the most memorable KO's of all time, I'm sure BF would discount it. Canelo stops Plant, and BF is elevating him to GOAT status.

This is why we don't take you seriously, clown.

Ohh and BTW, related to that second point, Virgil Hill beats the crap outta Canelo.

 

I haven't seen anyone back up Canelo. Hopkins doesn't have that fire power to back up Canelo. This won't be a 6"2 Bivol with LHW power backing up pudgy 175 Canelo. This would be Canelo at 160 or 168 fighting Hopkins. Other than Golovkin what other guy has walked Canelo? Please enlighten me.

 

Canelo is one of those guys who’s style only works against guys he’s considerably stronger than. Guys he can push back and stay in mid range of without being too much at risk of what’s coming back.

Even against Floyd who isn’t a power puncher, he was caught with enough sharp counters to essentially make him gun shy.

 

So you willingly avoided watching Floyd, and Golovkin 1, eh?

Yes, a fucking junior lightweight was manhandling Canelo.

Unless you're gonna tell us that Floyd is stronger than Hopkins. And you're so stupid, that you might in fact do so.

 

How bout you enlighten us? Explain to us how Canelo would have success against Hopkins. We need a laugh.

You think peak Hop is Danny Jacobs or something?

 

To beat a prime Hopkins, you need either blistering speed and ability (Jones, Leonard, Robinson), or you would need to be a superior technician to Hop (Hagler, Monzon).

Canelo fits into neither box. He fits into the box of a guy Bernard would eat alive.

 

Again you have a tendency to have knee jerk reactions when it comes to fighters you don't like. God forbid they happen to lose. And all of a sudden they go from being potential Hall of Famers to just very good fighters. A very good fighter who just happens to be the first man to win undisputed at 168 and a 4 division champ with a 57-2-1 record. You're such a fucking hater can't even have a serious discussion with you. So we'll just agree to disagree.

 

That was 19 year old Green and weight drained (152 catch weight)Canelo.

 

I don’t buy that Canelo was either green or weight drained. I think it’s convenient to say and all, but he simply got beat by a better fighter.

Canelo could have weighed in at 160 and Floyd at 152 and it wouldn’t have mattered.

 

I'll say this much, Ca

It's like everything else.....the truth is a bitter pill, on every level of life people got FOMO, they wanna believe they got Sugar Ray Roy laMotta in front of them, and not a very good fat pillhead that might give Gene Fullmer a good fight.

Canelo is a very good fighter....he works his ass off, he takes an excellent shot, he retired Peedomir, he's seldom in a bad fight.... he's a legitimate talent but he's not this generational brilliance.

I don't understand why people get upset about it. Marciano retired in 56 and bar Liston , who lost twice to Ali, it isn't until 1964 that you've got another genuine ATG talent .

Did boxing suffer because from 56 to 64 Ray Robinson was badly faded or Marciano was gone or Liston was mobbed up?

No. Lots of good fights. Lots of good fighters.

 

I've no doubt Canelo got a lot better after the Floyd fight AND because of the Floyd fight.

Floyd didn't take a shit without having a clause written on the toilet paper.

He knew what he was doing.

But boxing has always been about levels and timing and management. Always. You won't see Floyd come out of retirement to fight the Canelo that was around when Floyd fights McGregor.

I was thinking for large parts about albeit he got beaten down, Ricky Hatton, fighting two men that night, was still able to give Floyd some issues. Same with Cotto and Shane. You could see they had a definite line of attack that could, in the right hands, at the right time, pay off.

Canelo doesn't have the feet or the movement. He's just so lacking in those areas it's amazing how well he's done. He's an incredibly strong guy who has got tools they're just not elite tools.

 

Canelo improved post-Floyd. There's no one on Earth who disputes that. But he still has certain limitations that can't do anything about - because it's physically impossible. He's short, he has short arms, slow feet, and not a great gas tank.

The doping enhanced his stamina, but even with the roids, his stamina isn't a fraction of Hopkins' endurance.

 

Yeah it's his feet. ......you'd imagine Canelo would be a prime candidate for some peekaboo but he doesn't have the feet....guys who can RUSH always have a chance. Saw it with Hatton he could zip into range and bounce off. Alvarez just sort of plods around and gets into range by walking guys down rather than zipping in from an angle. He murders guys who can't keep away or keep him away.

 

It's the style that routinely falls short in boxing. Short guys with thick frames and slow feet and no volume.

Even worse...a short, slow, upright guy.

Canelo is surprisingly upright....has he ever bent at the waist in any of his fights, ever? I've never seen him crouch and roll.

 

Yeah, Canelo would fail at the peek-a-boo.

Tyson and Patterson were both athletic as fuck. Canelo isn't.