Shakur Stevenson vs Robson Conceicao

Good fight if this ends up happening this year. Definitely a much more stylistic challenge for Stevenson than Valdez.

https://twitter.com/MikeCoppinger/status/1540361948931530759?s=20&t=R4aNh0M58iHO6bKt2y-TSA

 

I think Shakur will beat him easy. It won’t be exciting but he’d beat him clear cut.

 

zero interest in seeing that snooze fest.

 

They need to match Stevenson better. With aggressive guys he can shine against and build a following

Perhaps hard to do because they lack the confidence that they can win and you also must consider whether top rank considers him a good long term investment to over pay opponents when he may eventually leave once they build him into an attraction as many others have done

 

Same Song, Different Dance w/Top Rank and Arum…

Either They Don’t Know HOW or They Just Don’t Give a FUCK About Actually PROMOTING Black Fighters…






REED

 

which american black fighters are doing so much better with haymon or hearn or anyone else? it aint like theres all these black boxers selling big ppv numbers the past 20 years aside from mayweather jr.

 

Either Arum don't know, don't show, or don't really care about what's going on in the hood.

 

Ever Heard of Deontay Wilder??? Does the Name Errol Spence Ring a Bell???

Both More Marketable w/Considerably HIGHER PPV Numbers Than ANY Black Fighter Arum’s Had Over the Same Span…

And it’s NOT Even Close Bruh…






REED

 

Wilder doesn't sell shit aside from the fury fights but I'll give you him. He's a heavyweight with power and all

For spences talent and resume he should be a whole lotter better draw than he is. He's basically at the same level of draw as Davis. 3 to 500k at best

 

Thanks for Reminding REED of Tank; Him and Spence are BOTH Bigger Draws Than ANY Black Fighter Top Rank's Had Since Floyd, Along w/Wilder...

Also, Let's Not Pretend a 15 Month Layoff Due to the Accident (2-3 Fights Could've Been Had in that Span) and NOT Being Medically Cleared for the Pacquiao Fight Wouldn't Have Made Spence Even MORE of a Draw Than he Currently Is...

It's an INDISPUTABLE Fact...

Crawford's OLDER than Spence, Has MORE Fights, Fought in MORE Weight Classes & DIDN'T Have the Downtime Spence Had in his Prime....There's Literally NOfuckingREASON Spence Should Be a Bigger Draw Than Crawford, Yet he UNDENIABLY Is....

& That's Because of Bob Arum and Top Rank...PeriodT!!!...





REED

 

Spence is not a big draw. Nor is davis

They aren't doing big business

Crawford isn't either

 

What's "big" business to you?

DLH, Tyson, Floyd type PPV numbers? By that measure, no, Davis isn't a big draw.

He brings in big business though, sells out arenas, and just did solid PPV numbers against an average fighter.

REED's point is valid. TR has always put more emphasis on Latino and Eastern Euro fighters than Black fighters.

Well, I can't say "always", if you go back to the Leonard days. But certainly since the 90s. It's like Oscar broke Arum's brain or something.

 

Bottom line is Latinos support boxing more than any other fan base. Blacks, whites, whatever

 

For the 50th Time, They’re Much BIGGER DRAWS Than Any Black Fighter Top Rank Has Produced Since Floyd, Which was the Point Being Debated Bruh.




REED

 

much bigger? disagreed.

al haymon is not making a great deal of money on davis or spence pay per views. maybe davis develops into something down the road but he aint there yet.

 

There might me some truth to that. But even a guy like Mikey Garcia had problems with Arum. Top Rank is probably the most difficult promoting company to deal with. Every top boxer that lef Arum became a star. Mayweather is a perfect example. De La Hoya too.

 

Arum made Oscar a star.

When he fought Trinidad, he was still with TR.

 

DeLa was a Star WITH Top Rank Too Though, Whereas Floyd WASN’T…

Arum Didn’t Believe in Floyd’s Marketability NOR His Fanbase…



REED

 

Which Has Absolutely NATHAN to Do w/Arum’s Ability to Promote Black Fighters…

At All…






REED

 

Black people love boxing a lot more than Neil acknowledges.

It's basically the third biggest sport in African American culture behind the NFL/NBA.

 

its hard to blame arum for crawford not catching on as a bigger star. guy aint exactly mayweather jr when it comes to promoting himself.

mayweather jr crossed over because of the 24-7 shit during the delahoya fight, winning that actual fight, and then the rise of social media. the timing of it all was just right for him.

 

I knew after I posted that I screwed up. Oscar was a star with Top Rank but he grew financially when he went with Shaffer and eventually became the CEO of G. That was my point a lot of fighters were better off once they got away from Arum. ImO top rank sucks for any fighter right now.

 

crawford vs porter did 135k buys? cant really blame arum for this. was it not well known among black boxing fans that this fight was taking place?

 

ESPN fucked a lot of people on that one. You gotta pay the full price up front to order an ESPN PPV.

When it's a PBC PPV and produced by Fox/Showtime, it's the traditional model of ordering through your cable provider, and paying the PPV cost on your next bill.

Not making excuses, but that really annoyed me, and it might have killed some buys. I ended up shelling out the cash to order it, but I'm sure some black folk saw that upfront price and said, "Hell naw!"

 

INTEREST In Boxing Has Never Been an Issue w/Blacks, the Issue is Finances & the "Hook Me Up" Culture Some Of Us Have, By & Large...Especially YOUNGER Black Fans...

A Good Number of Young Black Boxing Fans CAN'T/WON'T Contribute to the LIVE GATE of a Particular Bout, But if They're Credentialed and/or Know One of the Fighters & Get the "Hook Up", They're THERE...

In Terms of PPV, Young Black Boxing Fans Are More Inclined to HOST and/or SEEK OUT a Fight Watching Party to Minimize Cost, Rather Than Order the PPV @ Home and Watch it Solo, the Way REED Does, for Example...If Your Boy is Hosting a Party and Charges You NATHAN or $5 Max, That's a More Attractive Option (Again, for a YOUNGER Black Boxing Fan)...

REED Knows the Mentality WELL; He LIVED It, Which Particularly Sucked as a HARDCORE Black Boxing Fan...

REED Vividly Recalls Pondering Which Bouts to Order on PPV and Which to Wait for the HBO Replay Of, the Following Weekend...Today, Hardcore Black Boxing Fans Juggle Ordering the PPV w/Waiting Until Youtube Posts the Fight Later That Night/Next Morning...

But Yeah, INTEREST In Boxing Has Never Been an Issue in the Black Community...






REED

 

Arum was Crawford's Fucking PROMOTER???!!! Who the Fuck Else is to BLAME???...

From the Moment Floyd SIGNED w/Top Rank, He Spoke Openly About Fighting DeLa, Yet Arum Blew Off the Idea Entirely...Floyd, Rigondeaux, Crawford and Now Shakur Are ALL On Bob Arum's Promotional Resume...He CANNOT Promote Black Fighters, PeriodT!!!...

The Fact You IGNORE Tangible Evidence Supporting This and Continue to SHILL for Top Rank is Comical Bruh...Call a Spade a Fucking SPADE...





REED

 

REED Doesn't Recall Many, if ANY Crawford-Porter Commercials...Don't Recall a "Countdown" Related Show Either...Definitely Could've Been PUSHED/MARKETED More...No Appearances on ESPN's "Get Up" or "First Take" Either, Yet Top Rank is Affiliated w/ESPN???

What Kind of Promoter Speaks PUBLICLY About How He Could've "Bought Mansions" Off the Money He LOST on His Fighter???...Even if True, You Don't SAY Shit Like That About a Guy You Have Under Contract...

Regardless, By that Point, the Damage was Done and Crawford Had One Foot OUT the Door, Which is Way Arum HALF ASSED "Promoted" Crawford-Porter...





REED

 

Excellent Point...

Having $75-$80 RIGHT NOW is Dicier for Many Young, Black Boxing Fans Than Having That Same $75-$80 in 30 Days...





REED

 

you think tr emphasizes latinos because they're racist?