Spence vs Crawford just about (not) done…

Hard to say. For example the 3 champions he beat(Saunders, Smith, Plant) were all undefeated. Saunders is probably retired so in retrospect his status as a fighter/former champion is not looking good. Smit moved up to 175 and won his las fight(looks promising) and Plant i wouldnt count him out. Hes young and could still beat guys like Charlo, Andrade and GGG because those guys are no Canelo.

When Roy fought Clinton Woods nobody had heard of him and everyone in the online boxing community except for Roy nutthuggers were calling him a cherry pick and a bum(in America). But even after he lost to Roy ended up being a decent fighter. My point its hard to gauge how good or great a fighter is or could be if they have not retired. Time will either prove Canelo's recent opponents were trash or pretty good competition.

 

https://twitter.com/MikeCoppinger/status/1575898891857395713?t=4eODYSw7lewamxgymf6KWA&s=19

 

Lol

 

Fuckin joke of a sport.

 

They won’t fight each other and in the meantime won’t fight anyone worth a damn…

how the fuk we went from Trinidad making 4-5 million and Vargas making 2-3 million…to these two faggot ass bitches demanding 8-12-15 millions…

Every year that passs I wish boxing was more like the ufc…

 

Is somebody pricing himself out? Smh

 

ESPN story on the issues surrounding #SpenceCrawford. Terence Crawford, working on the short end of the split, isn’t being guaranteed money and will earn a percentage of net revenues in the proposed deal. However, he wants transparency related to expenses

 

That is f*cking incredible!!

 

I dont know who's to blame but they're both some greedy mother fuckers and you know what when its all said and done it will probably be a boring chess match. These highly anticipated and over hyped fights always are...like:

Dlh vs Trinidad
Pacquio vs Mayeather

 

The more I think about it the more I realize that Crawford and Spence are not ppv stars. The money is not there to pay Crawford and Spence what theyre asking. I know some people will probably get thier panties in bunch because it doesnt fit their narrative that two showtime/pbc american fighters are not the top marquee fighters in boxing. The two top ppv stars in boxing are still Canelo and Anthony Joshua.

Canelo critics were quick to point out Canelo vs GGG 3 only did like 500k ppv buys. But what they forgot to mention is that DaZN is a GLOBAL app. So that 500k ppv buys is only the U.S market. But globally GGG vs Canelo 3 did something like 1.2 million PPV fights. Now the top ppv stars in Showtime are not getting those kind of numbers. Thats Spence, Davis and Wilder. Neither one of those guys generate those kind of Canelo/AJ ppv numbers. Showtime is U.S based only app so they will never break those kind of numbers. Just dont have the global market to expose their talent. And boxing interest is not what it used to be in the U.S. so I would really be surprised if the fight ever gets made.

 

I too feel that both are to blame. Both are greedy and both want De La Hoya level money that they don’t deserve.

 

The reality is it would be by far the largest payday of eithers career. Meaning they are both scared shitless of losing their 0’s.

 

There is Nothing to think about….Spence and Crawford are not PPV stars. Sure if they ever fight it will be a big ppv 700-800k with all the hype/publicity it gets…but I doubt either one would be pulling those numbers afterwards by themselves…

 

If these two never meet, it'll be a major disappointment. Too afraid to lose their '0'? Nah. I don't believe it's that. Always down to money.

 

Yup, but often losing that 'o' can also be a loss of future money. So it's still money either way.

 

If they both keep winning, the fight will never get smaller financially

If the fight gets pushed to January that benefits spence, who has been more active

 

They could if it's a war or one destroys the other.

 

There was a thread on ESB and it was about where Crawford-Spence placed in the annuls of highly anticipated welterweight unification matchups in comparison with the likes of Leonard-Hearns, De La Hoya-Trinidad, Mayweather-Pacquiao, etc.

The closest I could think was Curry-McCrory as neither was a household name and neither had genuine crossover appeal. But if it carries on getting delayed, I’m not sure it’ll be even at that level.

 

It's bigger than Curry-McCrory, simply because McCrory at NO point was considered a top 5 P4P fighter.

Obviously it's hype can't compare to Leonard-Hearns and DLH-Tito. All four of those guys were in their early-to-mid 20s.

Crawford and Spence are both past their peaks imo.

 

Crawford in particular is showing he’s aged in his latest pics. And the inactivity won’t help though it’s balanced out because Spence hasn’t been super active either.

 

This is becoming another Mayweather-Pacquiao situation, SMFH

 

I think Leonard and Hearns were 23 and 25 when they fought. By comparison Spence and Crawford are senior citizens. What are fighters doing with their careers now a days??? No active fighters are fighting each other. They seem to do more talking on social media than any actual fighting.

 

I think it’s greed from the both of them, especially Crawford. Like @ILLUMINATI said earlier, these two wanna get paid much more than they’re worth. It’s crazy.

But I largely blame Floyd for this. All of these guys have attempted to follow this blueprint of playing it safe, cherry picking, and letting fights over marinate.

I’m all for fighters and all athletes getting paid, but with the way the business is going now, it’s out of control.

 

if crawford is taking zero guarantee and his entire purse is based on the success of the event, how exactly is he gonna get paid more than he's worth?

 

Its simple Spence is the A side and Crawford is the B side. While crawford may not get the lionshare of the revenue he will still get rich and make more money then he's ever made in the past. That's what he needs to focus on getting the biggest pay check no making more than Spence. Ofcourse on the brightside if he wins he can move on to bigger and better things. A win would help not only his pockets but popularity and legacy. But I got a feeling Crawford is too stupid to take a step back and look at the broader picture.

 

fuck these guys

 

how is transparency a sticking point? anyone able to explain? is someone actually saying to crawford: "sorry you can't know what the true expenses will be. you'll have to take our word for it on what our profits are and the amount you're due."? Is someone really saying this?

Update: he doesn't just want transparency. He wants to be able to approve expenses. They're making it sound like Crawford's entire purse is based on sales.....that sounds like bullshit.

 

Crawford wants the fight more than spence and haymon do. That's what I gather. It seems they don't have much interest in negotiating in good faith because of whatever ill will has accrued.

Is it a big deal for them to reveal how much is going to be spent on marketing or what not ?

I think the fight will happen and haymon is just stalling a bit to give his guy an edge

A side b side bullshit. Other side of the street. All nonsense in this case. Spence is a proven bigger draw, bigger name. Slightly. Crawford apparently is willing to take a non guarantee in lieu of that. Should be fairly easy to sort out

 

Sounds like Crawford wants to know a bunch of shit that is frankly unknown. Asking for more detail on difficult or impossible points is the most classic stalling tactic in negotiations for millennia past. Bud is scared shitless- he knows he has an ass kicking coming.

 

DLH money was, usually, under $10m....I mean I think Norris was offered $4.5m for a proposed bout with Oscar and Oscar himself took about $6m for the Wilfredo Rivera fight.

Oscars money at the time was considered big and it obviously increased for fights like Tito and Floyd