Duran's beatdown of Guts Ishimatsu = Very Underrated

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  1. Xplosive

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    This fight is never mentioned among Duran's great performances, but it should be. I think around this fight was really the start of Duran's true peak, where he brilliantly integrated offense/defense, and could seamlessly switch between countering off the back foot one moment with attacking an instant later. Mind you, Guts went on to the win the lightweight title by stopping the excellent Rodolfo Gonzalez AFTER this fight. He also went on to beat Buchanan after Gonzalez. Guts was an excellent fighter. This fight is easily one of Duran's top 5-10 best performances IMO.

     
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    Aye it's a great performance. A little bit better imo than something like Mayweather twatting Corrales, just that Corrales is more recent and was more heavily hyped than an Ishimatsu type fighter with a glossier record. Beating a fighter of his level these days would draw widespread acclaim.

    Ishimatsu was weird, a bit like his countryman Shibata. Excellent but somehow less than the sum of his parts. A bit fortunate imo that Gonzalez was abruptly dropping off and no longer at the races and that Buchanan had the eye injury (alleged, but I've always thought that Buchanan's timing and defensive radar being so off are consistent with impaired vision).
     
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    By the way X, It's good to see you popping your noggin in over on ESB every now and again .
     
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    I'm trying. Classic seems like a shell of what it was 4-5 years ago.

    General looks like it's at an all time low.
     
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    Yeah it's not good. I try not to be snobbish about it but it's an effort for me to post anything more than cursory stuff or the odd humorous jibe here and there. Bit depressing really.
     
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    The General forum has become the level you would see in a Facebook boxing group.
     
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    Classic has too many trolls and idiots now. What you would expect in the general section.
     
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    Great performance over a very solid fighter. I always thought that was the start of him perfecting his boxing skills and skill.
     
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    I agree, especially the General. So many immature trolls over there now.
     
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    I stopped going to the general section a long time ago. I’m old and grumpy and get annoyed easier with stupid boxing fans. I stopped going to the boxing subreddit when most of the people there said Canelo would beat a prime Monzon
     
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    There’s been some huge dickriders over the years that are just insufferable. Recently I‘ve been in constant encounters with some crazy Inoue-worshipping creep and it got to a point where I put that loser on ignore, which is a first during my 10+ years on that forum. That guy even made the claim that Inoue was the GOAT bantamweight and said that he would KO Jofre, Olivares, Zarate.
     
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    The latest social media claim is that Tank beats a prime Duran and prime Oscar at lightweight.
     
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    Joker? He's completely flaky. Since Pacquiao retired he's lost everything he loves in life and has chosen another small Asian to worship.
     
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    Is that because I picked Ray Mancini to beat Edwin Rosario in a MM?

    You’ll be glad to know, I got outvoted 2-to-1 on that in the end. And it would have been more if you’d voted as well.
    :Jest:
     
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    Great bit of work from Mario Sanchez with the video quality in 1080.

    Duran is clearly already in full swing at this point of his title reign.
     
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    Lol nah. It's not like it's a ridiculous pick. There's much much worse going on over there.
     
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    Yeah that disgusting idiot. He’s exposed himself to be not only a dickriding fanboy and a total casual fan but he’s shown to be a racist as well, mostly towards black fighters but tries to be sneaky about it. He’s even gone far as to show his bigotry towards Filipinos all because he’s been in conflict with Casimero supporters for talking down on Inoue.

    I know you’ve seen some posts from him where he would claim that Inoue would knockout Wilfredo Gomez. It’s so obvious that this guy knows absolutely nothing about fighters of old.

    The guy would even go far as to follow me around different threads and make personal attacks towards me. How this psycho hasn’t been banned for his constant nasty comments in that forum is beyond me.
     
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    He's been banned many times.
     
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    Not permanently though. Trolls like him ruin those forums.
     
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    For the past 15 or so years in the classic section of ESB, there are a couple posters who always troll with their SRL hatred. They keep arguing that Ray wasn’t past his prime when he fought Norris and he lost only because he just couldn’t Norris’s speed. A recent thread also said that Floyd was better than Leonard at every aspect of boxing and would fare better against Ray’s competition than Ray himself did.

    Mario Sanchez has such great stuff in HD. 1080 and 720p. Also sometimes with separate camera angles. There’s one of Mayweather-Ndou with HBO commentary, but the camera angles are different from the HBO broadcast, so we can see new angles.

    “HD Boxing” has some nice HD quality fights as well.



     
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    damn! amazing quality
     
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    Maybe if it said: "Duran's beatdown of Ishimatsu's Guts."
     
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    I came across someone on Facebook who thinks Tank would have KO’d Hearns…
     

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