I admit I overrated Spence in his prime

Maybe Spence wasn’t HIGH after all

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Spence has naturally lazy eyes, he's always looked high coming into the ring, even pre-accident. He has those Tracy McGrady-like drooping eyes. Do we even know the name and credentials of the guy who made those statements?

 

I have literally never once seen Spence where he didn't look high.

 

100% agreed on the retirement talk. That's straight bullshit imo. But I feel Spence needs the rematch bad. Even if he doesn't win, just making a competitive fight out of it would do wonder for his career. As of now, I won't lie and I know you like Spence a lot, but I feel his legacy was hurt tremendously by getting so thoroughly dominated in his 1st mega fight.

 

Yeah i like spence a lot, but it was a disastrous night for his career...

 

I rewatched the bout today. My conclusion is that Spence wasn't overrated, but Bud was just so good.

In boxing it is nearly impossible to tell at times when a fighter is bad and when the other guy makes him look that way, so my take is on no more solid basis than any else. That said, Bud's performance, from technical standpoint, was fucking flawless.

There have been fighters faster than Bud, and stronger than him, but this performance was, however you look at it, technically and tactically one of the best I have ever seen, and that includes the whole history of the sport. Timing, accuracy, balance, awareness of what to do and when, it was all spot on.

Now, was it a case of Spence allowing him to look that good, since Spence wasn't as good as we thought? Possibly. Had Spence been faster and stronger or more versatile, Bud might not have shone like that.

My impression however was that this was more of a Pacquiao - Barrera situation. Barrera was as good as we thought, Pac, like Bud, was just special

 

I agree that it was an all time great performance from Bud. One that will be remembered many decades from now.

From a southpaw vs southpaw perspective, it reminded me of Hagler's clinic on Hamsho.

 

Agreed. Maybe Spence wasn't at his best for any number of reasons but Crawford was damn near perfect.

 

It Certainly Doesn't HELP Spence's Legacy, But By DIMINISHING Spence You're Also TAKING AWAY From One of THE Best Performances We've EVER Seen in a Boxing Ring, Simultaneously...

REED Chooses to Believe Bud Crawford was Simply THAT Good Last Saturday Night...



REED

 

It was both. Spence is no longer at his peak level, but the way Bud performed, no version of Spence beats him.

 

This is the thing we encounter with every high profile dominant performance when things are expected to be competitive. No different in team sports when an entire side can't be affected simultaneously by the same problem(s). With every route in sports there is always some angle about the loser getting destroyed because ...

Even if they rematch and Errol manages to win then what? Does that prove Spence was off his game and the "real version" showed up, or does it mean something was was off with Crawford this time around?

At least from what i saw it was more about TC being perfectly in tune. It was like if you could play a game of chess, make a move, see what your opponent does, think about it, take your own back while there move stands. He making the most accurate move both offensively and defensively the entire time.

 

Terence "Capablanca" Crawford

 

You really think that was one of boxing best ever performance?? I saw UGTBK post, but we all know his recency bias, so I wasn't taking it seriously. Well maybe it's me after all who's becoming an ''old timer''

 

It was certainly one of the best performances in many years, and I'm sure that in 20 years I'll still look back and admire it.

Hard to say where it ranks all time, especially right now.

Would I put it up there with say... a Sanchez-Gomez or Jones-Toney? No, because you have to consider the opponent. Spence isn't at the level of a Gomez or Toney. Never was.

It was a performance for the ages though, without a doubt. A brilliant masterclass.

 

I could be wrong but I think he meant more along the lines of P4P elites going head to head.

 

Id say it was the best performance since pbf vs corales.


And it's obvious that Spence had a lot to do with Bud looking so great. Weve seen porter win a lot of rounds off bud, and lot of other fighter also won a few, so this performance was more of an outlier than a standard performance for crawford

 

Considering the STAKES, Yes...

2 Undefeated, Lb for Lb Ranked Champions, Presumably in their PRIMES, Vying for the Undisputed Title in What Was Supposed to Be a TRUE 50/50 Fight...w/All THAT Being Factored In, YES, Bud Crawford Put Forth One Of the Best In-Ring Performances We've EVER Seen, in REED's Humble Opinion...



REED

 

Yes, we we will have to wait and see. There are a pile of differences you can make in any comparison but I think those are a couple of good ones. The main reason being how average the loser looked. (or was made to)

 

I enjoyed it more than PBF-Corrales. I don't rewatch PBF-Corrales that much.

Crawford-Spence I'm sure I'll rewatch often.

There's something about Bud's style that's more effortless than Floyd's style.

 

That's exactly how I see it. As of now, I can't consider it amongst the top because Spence's true level is still a bit of a question mark unfortunately. Not nearly as proven (ex ante / ex post) as a Gomez, Toney or (obvously) a Leonard. I think the final judgment will greatly depend, whether it s fair or not, on what Spence achieves afterward. If he gets upset in his next fight or two, no way can we rank Crawford's performance this highly.

 

That's the problem with boxing. Everybody has a belt and an undefeated record. But the best are in no hurry to fight each other.

 

Yeah, I know that I've mentioned it repeatedly but it's beyond pathetic that both Spence and Crawford were well in their 30's for their 1st superfight

 

I'm watching the replay on Showtime now. This is spectacular stuff. I have no fucking clue what Spence could possibly do in a rematch.

 

And I know we like to criticize Canelo (some of it warranted, some not) but I think he pretty much proved that a loss is not a big deal to a fighter star power, even in this era, as long as you give the fans meaningful fights.

 

Guess the best he could do it to try to box more, which could maybe make him last the distance.

Id ve very surprised if he manage to be competitive

 

Yeah I’m watching it too. Hard to see what Errol could do to change things. Bud would have to decline over night for it to be more competitive.

 

Not against Bud but a top 10 guy I want to see how Spence looks. Because he looked very bad vs Bud…

A few times he was throwing a jab and bud had already moved, he was not close at all…he look slow asf, pushing out his punches….I need to see what Spence has remaining. At times Spence looked like one of these YouTube boxer…ducking to throw a jab..

Corrales was Corrales when Floyd dominated him…
Trinidad was Trinidad when Hopkins took him apart..
Toney was Toney when Roy schooled him..
Hamed was Hamed when MAB gave him a boxing lesson…

Spence? I don’t know…it was too easy for Bud..

 

Bud talking to Charlo bitch ass and telling him he's next after knocking Spence down twice in the 7th is one of most of the gangster things I've ever seen.

 

fuck Canelo vs Charlo…I need to see bud vs Jermell….u bitch ass n#%ga…

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