Boxer-Puncher or Puncher-Boxer

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  1. Xplosive

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    Some fighters fit into the style category which we traditionally think of as boxer-punchers, fighters with smooth, technician like styles who also possessed serious knockout power. Other guys can be considered puncher-boxers, guys whose primary style role was that of an aggressive KO artist, but they also possess elite boxing ability when needed.

    The quintessential boxer-punchers include:

    Robinson
    Leonard
    R.Lopez
    Charles
    Spinks
    Sanchez

    Puncher-boxer examples include:

    Arguello
    Jofre
    Louis
    Zarate
    Trinidad
    Gomez: Could also be argued a boxer-puncher.

    Other examples in both categories.
     
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    Where do we put rj?
     
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    In his own unique style category.

    But for the sake of this thread, I would consider 160-168 Jones a puncher-boxer.

    175 he became more of a boxer-puncher.
     
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    Hagler for boxer-puncher
     
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    Hagler is also difficult to define
     
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    Boxer puncher

    Odh
    Crawford
    Judah

    Puncher boxer

    Donaire
    GGG
    Tszyu
     
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    Zab was a puncher masquerading as a boxer.
     
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    Xplosive X-MOD Bad Motherfucker

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    I categorized Spinks as a boxer-puncher, but one could argue he was more puncher-boxer at 175.
     
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    Boxer-puncher:

    Curry
    Norris

    Puncher-Boxer:

    Liston
    Rosario
     
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    Agreed.

    Hagler, Roy, and Crawford are three guys who are very difficult to fit in any boxes.
     
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    I dont feel Hagler is hard to categorize, he's clearly a boxer puncher (the hearn fight is pretty much the only outlier).

    Hearns is much harder to categorize imo, especially below mw (after he became more of a boxer puncher)
     
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    Boxer-Puncher
    Carlos Ortiz
    Mike McCallum
    Yuri Arbachakov
    Orlando Canizales
    Mark Johnson

    Puncher-Boxer
    Michael Carbajal
    Bob Foster
    Danny Romero
    Rafael Marquez
     
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    Agreed on all.
     
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    Klitschkos boxer punchers
    Humberto Gonzalez and Acelino Freitas went from Punchers to Boxers.
     
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    Archie Moore Is DIFFICULT To Categorize...




    REED:afro:
     
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    I'd consider Moore a puncher-boxer, but I wouldnt argue for it either way.
     
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    I read something about Moore being a mechanic. If presented with a problem, he'd open his tool box and use whatever suited the situation best. I don't think you can fit a guy like that in a category.

    He showed the ability to slug, box, swarm and was both a puncher-boxer and a boxer-puncher.
     
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    For me, a boxer puncher is a fighter who uses their skills to win via clean punching - whether they hit like a truck or not. Guys like Andre Ward could even be classed as such, albeit nothing compared to the aforementioned.

    An out-boxer would be a fighter who uses their skills to win with the jab. Not to say they can't possess power - like a Rigo or something - but someone whose style is to simply win and win as safely and efficiently as possible by jabbing and moving.

    Sluggers and swarmers are more obvious.

    So for me, I guess a puncher-boxer is somewhere between a boxer-puncher and a slugger.
     
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    But a guy who simply jabs and moves isn't a boxer puncher. He's simply a boxer, whether he has power or not.
     
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    That is literally what I wrote.
     
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    :D

    My bad. I misread it - thought you were explaining the difference between boxer-puncher and puncher-boxer. But you were talking about what distinguishes a boxer from a boxer-puncher. Got it. That is indeed literally what you wrote. :D
     
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    Yeah i think it simply comes down to him being quick handed, but more importantly a southpaw. Often times that alone some people equate with "slick".
     
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    For sure. Old mongoose could crack
     
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    Would you put Mosley (especially at 135) as a puncher-boxer?
     
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    Yes, I'd consider lightweight Mosley a puncher-boxer.

    While on the topic, Tszyu is another example of a puncher-boxer.
     
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    I already said Tszyu
     
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    Seems to me that mosley was a heavier puncher at the higher weights
     

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