Canelo vs Charlo: Final Predictions

Oh absolutely, you've got me there! I'm clearly drowning in a sea of ignorance when it comes to those fellows and I won't even attempt to pretend otherwise. So hats off to you, you undisputed champion of knowledge! You've bested me, fair and square. Hip-hop-hooray for your triumphant victory! Well done!

 

"I'll be your huckleberry"

At least you have good taste in movies. I'll give you thst

 

Gomez
Benitez
Trinidad
Jose Basora
Carlos Ortiz
Cocoa Kid
Sixto Escobar

Literally just off the top of my head.

 

Mind you it was harder to come by belts back then. And these guys were winning titles without catch weights, PEDs, and carefully selected opposition.

It’s not even a Puerto Rican vs Mexican thing. I could name a good number of Mexican fighters with better legacies than Canelo.

 

Like JMM….and it’s not even close. Canelo has never ever defeated any1 near Pacquiao level….

BoxingFan is just trolling…

 

That's key. Having multiple titles in multiple weight classes doesn't have the value it once did. If you go between four weight classes there is about a 20 pound difference from top to bottom. A lot of guys weight more than that before they start training camp. There are potentially 12 "World Champions" at any one time (or even more) depending on which titles are accepted as legitimate.

Combine cherry picking, convenient timing, catch weights and other stipulations i don't look at winning titles in multiple division as some major accomplishment just on its own.

 

I don't think he's trolling. I just think he's one of these guys you see on Facebook or Instagram who legitimately thinks Camelo is one of the best fighters of all time.

Ya know, the same type of guys who think Davis would have beaten Duran, and think Floyd never dropped a round in his entire career.

 

Uhh no doubt he is a Canelo dick rider.

He's trolling you and reed and any black poster with his shifty "wakanda" "hip-hop Hooray" comment...and trolling puerto rock with

(that makes no sense, I don't get what he's trying to say here) then with the "Canelo is greater than any puerto rican boxer ever" FUCK out here....Chavez...Salvador maybe...we can discuss it. But CANELO??


I'm still waiting for his chatgpt generated rebuttal to the list of PR fighter who are better than Canelo...

 

I'm not a Márquez fan at all. Don't get me wrong he's a good fighter but I hate everything about him including his pos trainer. There's a certain romanticization of Marquez's career that seems to be disconnected from reality. Mainly by casual Mexican fans after he ko'd Pacquio.

1) Claims that Márquez had important fights stolen: conveniently overlooks his losses. He lost a decision to Bradley, a C+ level fighter compared to Canelo's opponents. Can you imagine if Canelo had been dropped as many times as Márquez like against Pacquiao? or even a club fighter like Katsidis? Canelo fought light heave weights was never even hurt let alone dropped.

2) The notion that Márquez didn't cherry-pick opponents and only faced the best is a myth: He turned down fights against Provodnikov who was the top super lightweight at the time and chose to face the virtually unknown Mike Alvarado, using the weak excuse of Alvarado having been a former super lightweight champion. A laughable argument given that he never earned or defended that "title." I watched the ESPN interview with Nacho Beristáin where his own trainer admitted they declined a bout with Amir Khan when Khan was at his peak and a big draw, because nacho was worried about Khan's speed.

3) The claim that boxing organizations didn't favor Márquez: this contradicts the fact that the WBO basically handed him a championship via paperwork, people call Haney an email champ well Marquez is the og paper champion. Officially he's credited with titles in four divisions, they were more a gift from the WBO than an earned achievement. He never won the title in the ring, let alone defended it. What a joke. Can you imagine if they had helped Canelo like that and nobody called him out on it? I don't know how you can suggest Márquez is greater than Canelo when he had losses to scrubs like John and Bradley, Canelo would never lose to bums. I just hate how Márquez and his trainer love playing the victim card by suggesting that he was never treated fairly by organizations and guys like Morales and Barrera were given special treatment. Total hypocrites. Fuck Marquez. A true hater just like Mayweather can't stand to see others shine.

 

Bradley is a hall of famer

C+ compared to who Alvarez beat?

And that was the end of marquez career

 

The truth is I don't concern myself with mythical comparisons. When it comes down to reality, none of those fighters from the past could stand a chance against Canelo. His size and strength make him a dominant force in the ring. Regardless of their achievements none of those PR fighters could whoop Canelo. He would body bag them. Enough said.

 

John Ruiz would annihilate Canelo inside of 2. Regardless of his achievements, Ruiz would body bag him.

Enough said.

Such intelligent logic you have there. It's not true anyway though.

Both Trinidad and Benitez would soundly thrash Canelo at 154.

 

Why aren't we witnessing more fighters achieve four division championships if it's not a significant accomplishment? Take for instance Jermell, who held the title of linear undisputed champion at 154 but struggled to replicate that success when moving up. A lot have tried but few have succeeded.

 

Canelo wasn't really in his prime at 154. his prime is at 168 no doubt. If he faced Tito there he would give him even more of a one-sided beatdown than what Hopkins did. And Benítez? Same story, Canelo would whoop him at 168.

 

That punk ass bitch Adrien Broner is four division world champion.

 

make sense Canelo only chance vs. Trinidad is at 168 a division Trinidad only fought in once in 2008 after 4 years of retirement...yeah sure I give you that..

Canelo won 1 round vs. Floyd? I say he wins 3-4 max vs. Benitez at 154....

 

Sure he was. He wasn’t green after 40’plus fights. It’s just that his match making was a lot more careful once he got to 160 and above, especially after the close call against Lara.

168 has been a wasteland for a long time and Canelo on PEDs took advantage of it.

 

I'm trying to figure out why Trinidad is so overrated in this forum?

Trinidad went life and death with Vargas at 154 and defeated a one-eyed fighter in Reid. Canelo undeniably possesses a granite chin he can box he can counter-punch. He's ko'd LHW Do you genuinely believe Trinidad could KO Canelo when even Bivol couldn't? Your argument seems to lean towards fanboying. Name one legitimate middle weight Trinidad was able to beat or ko? Joppy don't count. Heck he barely got past De La Hoya most people (non-puerto Ricans) felt homo won.

 

This is just false. First of all, you started the Puerto Rico comparison, not me. Second, Jose Basora fought a prime Sugar Ray Robinson to a draw. He stands a very good chance against Canelo. He would absolutely not be bodied, Canelo couldn't even "body' Miguel Cotto FFS.

Cocoa Kid was a member of the Murderer's Row. Beating fighters bigger than him was a speciality.

Trinidad and Benitez would make Canelo look pathetic at 154, and the fact you have to drag two welterweights up to 160+ for Canelo to win is hilarious.

And as X says, if size doesn't matter then John Ruiz would batter Canelo.

 

Trinidad and Benitez are bad match ups for Canelo for different reasons.

Canelo only has a puncher’s chance to get Tito out early because he’s gonna run out of steam by the mid rounds in the face of his pressure. Canelo would either lose a wide UD or he goes out late like Vargas.

Benitez would just be a repeat of the Mayweather fight. Nothing to see there.

 

Canelo on "PEDs" = Tito Handwraps except one is not the same.

If you aren't going to do the research about the "PED" Canelo consumed in his food, then you really shouldn't make any statements regarding the "PED" in which he passed hair follicle test for anyhow.

Tito ain't cracking that chin with or without handwraps, that spells trouble for Tito. Canelo drops Tito 2-3 times and Tito loses at any weight.

 

Trinidad will take Canelo into rounds 7…8…9..10 and take his heart. ..

Dropping Trinidad 3 times??? Lol…

 

Take Canelo's heart when GGG couldn't? Lol...

 

Canelo ain’t Hagler. The accumulation would get to him over the long haul. He simply doesn’t have the style to beat Trinidad. Not a prime version of Tito.

Canelo only has a puncher’s chance.

 

If Tito could just tee off on Canelo with nothing coming back I'd agree. But, how many times have we seen fighter's punch volume decrease when they are facing a hard accurate puncher? We'll have to agree to disagree.

 

I'll take Trinidad at 154. I think a more seasoned Canelo with improved defense edges a decision at 160+.

 

Canelo has little volume. He fights in spurts. He’d spent most of the rounds on the defensive, especially as the fight gets into those middle rounds and he starts taking more punches from Trinidad.

 

That's why I think he has no chance against Benitez.

By the time Tito went to middleweight he had fallen in love with his power and would load up too much. I think Alvarez would see most of the shots coming and he has the beard to withstand the few that get through.

 

@whiskey @puerto rock

I understand both your arguments and they are not crazy. It would've been a great matchup, too bad we will never get to see it.

 

Will there be blood and urine testing for this potential super fight?