Canelo vs Charlo: Final Predictions

Yeah, I'm with PR.

You can say that Canelo didn't peak until 160-168; that statement would be fair. But I wouldn't call him green at 154.

He certainly wouldn't have beaten Cotto if he was green.

Let's be clear - Canelo only beats Trinidad at higher weights because he's a much bigger man. Not because he's better.

In a P4P sense, the Trinidad of 94-00 was a better fighter than Canelo ever was.

 

No, he certainly wasn't green at 154, young, yes as he fought there from ages 21-26. Was he at his best during this time, no.

Was Canelo the much bigger man? Tito could only manage to stay at 154 for 4 fights. Tito was 27 when he moved to 160.

So both fighters moved to 160 at roughly the same age.

Tito's resume during 94-00 isn't all that great unless you're giving the nod to Tito vs DLH???

Obviously, our opinions are subjective, my question to you is, what did Tito do better than Canelo? I'll concede Tito had better one punch power.

 

Canelo is definitely a much bigger man than Tito. He was coming in the ring in the 170s at 154. Tito was never close to that.

I'd give Canelo two things over Tito: Better chin and better defense.

I think Trinidad was better at most other things. Trinidad had a HUGE advantage over Canelo in stamina, especially.

I also think Tito's handspeed was more explosive. Look at the first hook that dropped Vargas in round 1. Canelo could never react at that velocity.

 

That's true, Tito never gassed out in any fight I ever seen.

 

Also, while on the Tito topic, I don't see Floyd beating Tito at 154. I've seen Floyd given a rough fight by Cotto and by a faded Oscar.

Floyd is quite obviously a better and greater fighter than Tito, but I dont see how he holds Felix off at junior middleweight.

 

Very important to mention this when discussing whether Canelo was green at 154. No he wasn't at 25/26 (not prime but close) but he was imo at 21/23. He improved tremendously since the Floyd fight.

 

I don't have a problem with anyone believing that Tito could defeat Canelo. It's merely an opinion about a hypothetical match we'll never witness. Having said that, what I disagree with is when people claim that Tito was superior to Canelo. You're entitled to your opinion, but the statistics speak for themselves. Canelo is a greater fighter, and one could argue he's the superior head-to-head fighter in a mythical context. Tito's record is somewhat overrated due to his fighting style. What I mean by overrated. For example , some might say that Mike Tyson is superior to Lennox Lewis. Many are swayed by the excitement Tyson brings to the ring . He's a personal favorite of mine. Yet... if we can be objective and set aside our biases it's clear that Lewis was a greater and a better fighter than Tyson. A true fan can acknowledge this a fanboy will be controlled by emotions.

 

Floyd would school Tito in any weight class. Lmao

 

@mayweather jr fighting trinidad at 154lbs

 

One thing Hopkins and Wright had in common: They both had the tremendous physical strength to force Trinidad back.

Tito never lost to a smaller man.

 

He lost to DLH. Facts

 

what an awful fight that was. One zombie, dead at the weight, and the other guy too cowardly to capitalize and take him out.

 

He didn’t even school Cotto lmao!!!

 

He didn’t even want a rematch at 154.

Oscar knew what was up.

 

Don't call him cowardly!

The guy was traumatized by his mom in there!

 

Apples and oranges. I believe Cotto is a more well-rounded fighter than Tito. Cotto has displayed exceptional skills in the ring. it's unfortunate that some people seemed to have abandoned him after his loss to Margarito. His fans never forgave him for losing to a Mexican. I rate Cotto higher than Trinidad.

 

This guy has the level of boxing IQ that you used to see on the Max Boxing forum back in the day.

 

The Mosley that Cotto defeated is on par with or even better than any opponent Trinidad ever faced. We're comparing Trinidad to his peer... what's so funny? Don't act like I'm comparing Mayorga with Sugar Ray Leonard. Cotto should not be considered inferior to Trinidad. Give or take they're on the same level talent wise. Trinidad did accomplished more I'll give him that.

 

My point is most of Mayweather's fights were awful but still got the win. Same as DLH giving Tito a boxing clinic. This was in response to someone saying Tito never lost to smaller guys. But nice try... down playing De La Hoya getting robbed. Your boy Tito got exposed as one-dimensionsal.

 

uh huh....and Jose Cotto is one of the hardest punching fighter ever between 140-154...

 

?? You're just making shit up in your mind....nobody abandoned Cotto because he lose to Margarito...you always try to inject MEXICO vs. Black..Ricans..anyone else..

Not one Puerto Rican would rank Cotto over Trinidad, Gomez, Benitez...

 

He's the number one race-baiter on the forum, and then loves to accuse everyone else of being racists.

BoxingFan is ONLY getting attention on the 2023 Fightbeat because there's only like 10 of us left.

Like 15 years ago, when this place was still in its heyday, his stupidity would be drowned out and ignored on the General Forum.

 

Oh....I didn't know you were working with feelings. Seriously me mentioning the Mexico vs Puerto Rico rivalry triggered you? It's real and has nothing to do with racism. Both are Latinos last time I checked. But whatever bro some people are overly sensitive and you're one of them. Sorry you got butthurt.

 

Cotto is underrated. Do i rate tito higher, yeah, but i dont think there's a gulf between them

 

Trinidad would ko cotto at 47-54

Cotto at his welterweight peak vs the corpse of Trinidad who fought in the very late 90s would be his best chance

 

There is absolutely no version of welterweight Trinidad that Cotto beats. None. Not even the DLH fight Trinidad.

Oscar was simply a much better fighter than Cotto. Miggy could never pull off that kind of performance for 9 rounds. He simply wasn't talented enough.

 

We'll have to disagree.

There's a pretty substantial gulf between Cotto and the Big 4 of Puerto Rican greats.

Ortiz, Gomez, Benitez, and Trinidad can all rightly be labeled as generational fighters. Cotto wasn't generational. He was just a very good fighter.

I'd rank him 5 among Puerto Ricans if we're talking accomplishments. If we factor in peak, then I'd have Cotto at 6, because the 130-135 Camacho peaked higher than Cotto.

 

I think going based off accomplishments, you'd have to put Cocoa Kid above him. He started off at 135, fought a guantlet of the best contenders while malnourished and extremely young (he fought Lou Ambers for example, at 19) before moving up to welterweight. He drew with Charlie Burley and split a ridiculously long series with Holman Williams - both of whom are around top ten at both at 147 and 160. Not to mention, Cocoa Kid himself was a decent middleweight.

Armstong absolutely avoided him as well. Like the plague, in fact.

 

Nahhh. Tito is a way better fighter than Cotto. Tito wouldn’t lose to any of the guys that beat Cotto, especially Margarito and Pac at 147.

The only thing Cotto does better than Tito is move around. He’s certainly not better offensively. In a head to head match up against Tito, he’s dead.