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Discussion in 'General Boxing Discussion' started by Ugotabe Kidding, Oct 9, 2023.

  1. Punk

    Punk "Twinkle Toes" McJack Staff Member

    Yes, the "perfect style" to beat Tszyu was popularly considered to be a decent right hand with some juice on it, and not much else. You weren't alone in thinking Tackie may have had the formula.
     
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  2. Xplosive

    Xplosive X-MOD Bad Motherfucker

    I underestimated how painfully fucking slow Tackie was.

    I'll never forget the post-fight interview, even though I haven't watched it in 20 years.

    Tackie, after dropping all 12 rounds: "We will meet again."

    Tszyu: "Hehehe, I don't think so."
     
  3. Punk

    Punk "Twinkle Toes" McJack Staff Member

    Being a supporter of Australian fighters means we have a lot of dudes who have an undefeated local records, get a regional strap via some obscure "Pan Canadian-Iranian Bolivian-Libyan Diamond belt" fighting an international nobody and obtaining a top 5 world ranking, then fighting for a proper belt and getting found out.

    Back in the day Jeff Fenech had a FOX cable TV deal under the "Black Tie Boxing" banner. Many used to call it "Black Thai Boxing" because most of the opponents were Thai or Fijian clubfighters punching on like maniacs for a few $$ and a holiday, and beating a few touted Aussies in the process lol. A few decent Fenech fighters like the Husseins went through the "Black Thai" fight club system and many felt they weren't really ready for the likes of seasoned Mexicans etc.
     
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  4. Xplosive

    Xplosive X-MOD Bad Motherfucker

    Another thing I'll never forget about Tszyu-Tackie: It was on the same night as Gatti-Ward 1.

    I swore going in that Tszyu-Tackie was gonna be the more action-packed fight, and I wasn't alone in that thinking.

    Had we only known how wrong we would be...
     
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  5. Punk

    Punk "Twinkle Toes" McJack Staff Member

    It was really bad.

    Not only was Tackie slow and boring, Tszyu was trying to be some sort of "twinkle-toes" boxer because he was getting criticised for falling in love with his power.

    So he just popped a lot of jabs and went the distance, which was boring as fuck.
     
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  6. Xplosive

    Xplosive X-MOD Bad Motherfucker

    It was very much the junior welterweight version of Lewis-Tua. Like a carbon copy.
     
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  7. Slice N Dice

    Slice N Dice Big stiff idiot

    I think Tackie lost to Matthew Hatton later on as well.

    He doesn't really fit the criteria but Nedal Hussein was in a lot of Commonwealth title fights over here where he beat up the next UK "prospect", also dropped Pacquiao with a jab.

    Irish will remember him, but in the 90s there was a fella called Affif Djelti who separated the wheat from the chaff, so to speak, on the domestic UK scene. You had to have something about you to beat him, otherwise you were getting exposed.
     
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  8. Boxingfan25

    Boxingfan25 Undisputed Champion

    That's an interesting perspective on international boxing and how it varies from region to region. For instance, we're well aware that Europe boasts some of the world's finest soccer players, while there are various tiers within European soccer, much like in Mexican and American soccer, which are fairly comparable in quality, with Mexican soccer possibly having a slight edge. However when Mexican or American soccer players aspire to make it "big" they often aim to play in Europe. It's interesting that you mentioned how seasoned Mexican fighters appear to be on a different level compared to Australian fighters. So when it comes to determining where the best boxers in the world originate from is there a particular country that stands out as the pinnacle of the sport? Is there a nation that you consider to produce the best boxers globally, as America does for basketball?
     
  9. Neil

    Neil tueur de grenouilles

    i made the mistake of attending tszyu- tackie. same night as gatti ward 1 which everyone was all hyped about.

    that card was the first time i literally fell asleep in the arena at a live fight during the toygonbaev vs oba carr fight.
     
  10. Boxingfan25

    Boxingfan25 Undisputed Champion

    Was that in Vegas?
     
  11. Double L

    Double L Book Reader

    That reminds me of another favorite - Andre Tsurkan.
     
  12. Xplosive

    Xplosive X-MOD Bad Motherfucker

    Angulo gave that guy one of the worst beatings of all time. Honestly, it was the type of sustained beating that often kills a guy. Tsurkan was lucky to leave with his life.
     
  13. Xplosive

    Xplosive X-MOD Bad Motherfucker

    Yes.
     
  14. Flo-Raiden

    Flo-Raiden Undisputed Champion

    Favorite contenders/gatekeeper/journeyman

    Bert Cooper
    Emanuel Augustus
    Harold Brazier
    Kevin Pompey
    Santos Cardona
    Troy Dorsey
    Rudy Zavala
    Frank Fletcher
    Earl Hargrove
    Curtis Parker
     
  15. Irish

    Irish Yuge, Beautiful

    Yes but you had to move faster than frozen molasses
     
  16. Irish

    Irish Yuge, Beautiful

    The thing is that Cooper was a very live heavyweight who simply had the misfortune to fight guys who were excellent in their own right and just had the schooling and finesse to expose his shortcomings. A bum he was not. He's basically Gerry Quarry or Herol Graham. In another time or place he's a titlist.

    Compare him to Julian Letterlough. That's an actual bum whom people confuse for some unfortunate epochal talent.
     
  17. Irish

    Irish Yuge, Beautiful

    Remember him well . Only lost to Colin Dunne himself a fringe contender of the era who beat Phillip Holiday and list on points to Schwer.

    Djellti basically beat everybody who wasn't on that level. Charlie Shepherd for example.

    I'd have loved to see Michael Gomez fight him. Gomez was actually a sort of a dangerous "bum". He beat up Alex Arthur and had Amir Khan on the mat.
     

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