Fury vs Ngannou TOMORROW

And for that, he ranks way above Fury, as everybody knows. And even he struggled at times

 

Lol Ugo is pathetic. Never ever misses an opportunity to bash a past great to prop his recency bias agenda.

Fury just lost to an MMA fighter making his pro debut, and part of Ugo's defense is to take a shot at Joe Louis.

This guy's agenda has become sad and tired. It would be respectable if there was ever balance, but there never is. You can literally predict his posts before they come.

It's always, without exception, tear down past great to prop up current fighter.

He's become as predictable as David Tua.

 

Good lord

I am only pointing out that fighters far greater than Fury had their struggles too, so a poor showing is not unheard of.

At no point did I take a shot at Louis.

But I guess different views and opinions are what kills forums

 

No, different views are fine. Your views are always predictable.

Your vert first response to Fury's gift decision was to reference, in part, Ali-Wepner. Firstly, Chuck was a journeyman, but he wasn't making his pro debut. And secondly, when Ali's resume is so much better than Fury's, it's easier to excuse the low points.

I'm not ready to claim Fury's lack of shape is the reason for all his struggles. I think Fury is, in essence, a pretty limited fighter.

Did we underrate Francis? Yes.

Do I think Francis would beat a truly elite heavyweight great in his pro debut? Absolutely not.

Fury is overrated.

 

Believe it or Not, You and Brother Ugo Are Actually ALIKE Bruh, Just Opposite Ends of the Spectrum...You Can Be PERCEIVED as EVERY Bit as Biased for the "Good Ol' Days" as You Think Ugo is About the Now...

Not Taking Sides @ All, Because Ya'll are the SAME Dude to REED, Just Opposite Ends of the Spectrum...Not GOOD, BAD or Otherwise; it IS What it Is...


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Precisely. I made THE EXACT same argument about the WW division 2000 to 2007.

A veritable merry-go-round of mediocrity which was portrayed as pure brilliance.

 

I'm far more balanced. There's many, many, many examples over the years of me calling out the nostalgics. Many.

 

I took a shot not at Louis but at how he is remembered....getting smelling salts Vs 170lb Billy Conn.....is about as bad as Fury being dropped by Ngannou..

The problem is Louis HAD to fight Conn, ....Fury did NOT have to fight Ngannou , he had much more pressing business..

 

Okay Bruh...


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Okay REED...

I don't need to defend the point to you.

Go back in history and see all the times I've ripped guys for saying that Greb was the all time baddest fighting machine. Or those who have that Benny Leonard would have whupped Floyd. Or guys have said that Dempsey would smoke Bowe and Tyson.

PLENTY of examples of me attacking the opposite extreme.

 

Fury didn't 'beat Wald in a lopsided manner'. Come on. He won a razor thin decision in a fight where neither man landed a single meaningful punch. Furry won by spooking a man widely considered to be a bit of a fanny by doing some feints. Let's not start telling lies here.

Fury beat Whyte because Whyte is garbage. More garbage than he is. Dillion Whyte? Come on.

Usyk was a very fine CW and is a skilled boxer. He's also totally underpowered at HW. Show me where I said that his 'success' at HW (i.e., beating that fraud Joshua) showed that HW was an embarrassment to anything? I said he'd beat Joshua as long as he could take a punch. He can, and he did.

Helenius is hardly a character reference for Wilder. Is that really the best proof we have that Wilder threw hard to telegraph shots?

Look, I respect your knowledge and opinion and we've done this sort of thing on other subjects, so we know each others respective positions. You do have a significant recency bias imo. You want these clowns to be good because you instinctively cannot accept that almost all other sports have seen massive improvements over time while HW boxing seems to be in a period of long, steep decline. I understand the logic, it makes sense, but all the evidence in front of us shows that the unlikely is probably true in this case.

These guys are trash. Not in the sense that they can have the odd off night like all fighters can, but they are actually trash.

MTF

 

There was one example in particular, not on here, but ESB, when I spent several PAGES defending Wilder of all people when someone said Sam Langford would KO him. Imagine that... me defending Wilder. Yet I did.

Don't pretend like I side with the past fighter in EVERY circumstance, because it would be a gross mischaracterization.

Off the top of my head, just recently I said in MMs that I'd pick Bud over Don Curry.

By the way you're framing me, I'd have picked Curry, because he's the old time fighter, right?

 

Is Feebs also gonna be called out for stating the obvious? Ugo is an extreme receny bias guy.

Does that make him a bad poster? No. He's highly intelligent and comes across as a good person. He's valuable to Fightbeat for sure.

But he's predictable in the stance he's gonna take.

 

Ugo is part of the furniture around these parts and rightly so. He's a good guy and has forgotten more about boxing than most have known. I absolutely understand his logic. He should be right. I just don't think on this one that he is.

MTF

 

Okay Bruh...



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Great, thoughtful response.

 

The Thoughtful Response was ALREADY Given, No Need to Go Back and Forth Bruh...

You and Ugo are Waaaaaaaaaaaaay More ALIKE than Dissimilar, You Just Post from OPPOSITE Ends of the Boxing Spectrum...& Again, it's NOT a Good or Bad Thing....




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I would disagree. You're thinking of a guy like Ramonza. I don't remember him tooooo much, but I remember him being an extreme, crazed nostalgic. The polar opposite of Ugo.

I'm far more balanced than that.

 

Every question will be answered…only if Fury & Ngonnou have a rematch. Is Ngonnou as good as he looked yesterday….or Fury was Balboa in Rocky 3…smiling to the cameras, taking pictures with chickens. In Fury case banging hookers and snorting cocaine off their taint.

 

Boxing reputation is not on the line here….but the guys at heavy can’t allow Ngonnou to go back to the UFC, without sleeping him first.

Usyk & Ngonnou can make 15-20 million each in Saudi Arabia….

Wilder/Ruiz vs Ngonnou in the states would be huge guaranteed 1 million ppv buys..

cannot allow him to go back to the MMA and fight Jon Jones at UFC 300….

 

I'd expect Furry to win a rematch very handily. Firstly, he always does better in rematches. Secondly, he'd actually take it seriously. Thirdly, he'd make a shit-ton of extra money to spend in coke.

It was actually quite good fun to see that big twat look like shit yesterday. He wouldn't dare be that bad again.

MTF

 

Boxing will be alright.

It would have looked worse had it been a legit P4p talent like Bud or Inoue struggling with an MMA fighter.

These garbage heavyweights can't be held to the same standards.

 

I think in my mind if he took the cage fighter seriously he'd 10-0 Ngannou in a shite fight

 

He left the UFC because Dana wasn't paying him enough. What makes you think he's going back? After this performance he has options to make some good $$$. He's very marketable as a boxer.

 

I genuinely enjoyed watching Furry lose last night. He deserved it, for trying to take the piss out of someone who obviously trains hard and takes his craft very seriously. Fury is long overdue his comeuppance. It's no skin off my nose if the daft cunt gets made to look a mug.

There is no doubt that the bout damages boxing, though. He's the lineal HW champion. Like it or not, he's a marquee boxing champion. And a cage fighter made him look like a fanny. That's bad for boxing. It simply is.

The reality, in the cold light of day, is that he will have to rematch him and bray him.

MTF

 

A rematch is a bad idea for Fury. A lose-lose.

If he thrashes Ngannou, it's "So fuckin what? Should have done it in the first place."

If he struggles again or loses...

His legacy is truly fucked.

If I'm Fury, it's Usyk and then retirement.

 

Furry knows he lost. You could tell in his post-match interviews. The usual bluster and bullshit was conspicuously absent. He knew.

Furry is a fat pisstaking cunt but his pride will be hurt, just like it was after the first Wilder fight. The fighting stock he's raised from won't let him forget that shite last night.

MTF

 

Furry doesnt give a fuck about 'legacy'. He's a grifter, concerned a bit for fame but mostly about money and proving he's a hard cunt.

MTF

 

UFC 300 is 6-7 months away Dana would love to stack up that card…Jones vs Ngonnou right now is the biggest fight that can be made in ALL COMBAT sport…boxing, mma, kickboxing whatever. A guaranteed 2 million ppv buys..

Dana might offer him 5-6 million for the Jones fight and 7-10% of ppv…

Ngonnou has control of his $$$$ making possibilities now…but that window close real quick if he get destroyed in his next event. He made $10-12 million for Fyry in a rematch he would probably want double..if he gets it good for him.