Shady Stuff in Boxing? Let's Talk About Seldon vs. Tyson and More!

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Im not really bothered arguing about it, but ton of people tought it was a bit fishy. Im not claiming it was a fix, but i wouldn't be terribly surprised if it was.

And at bloof steaming out of his mouth being a proof of anything. Even a nicely placed light jab can bloody your mouth or nose

 

Foreman took him out. It's about as fishy as the Dead Sea.

 

Yeah, I don't get it. Moreover, Foreman had actually landed a shot before the kill shot which stunned Moorer. Then a perfect right hand directly on the point of the chin. Zero suspect around Foreman-Moorer.

 

Melito Vs Cooper was fixed. Then it was unfixed shortly beforehand.

 

I wrote a column for ESB twenty years ago where I criticized Shannon Briggs. Briggs got furious and sent me three enraged e-mails where he claimed that Brian Nielsen's fights were fixed. He apparently assumed I was Danish.

He was correct though. Many of them were

 

Only GUESSING, But REED Thinks the LACK of Arm Motion Doesn't Quite MATCH Moorer's Reaction, to Some...Thing Is, Foreman Punched THAT Fucking Hard and Didn't Require Much if ANY Wind Up to Generate Power on His Shots...To the Uninitiated, It Looked Like a Routine 1-2 ARM PUNCH w/Not Much On It...

But it was Foreman Doing the Punching...



REED

 

Yeah, if it was Frans Botha landing a shot like that and Moorer collapsed, then maybe there's questions. It was Foreman. And Moorer had a notoriously bad chin.

 

Foreman even in his prime looked like he was TAPPING guys but they were levitating off the canvas. He just punched that hard. Add to the matter that Moorer didn’t have the best chin.

 

The thing is....any 200lb plus man hits a former 175lbr just right.....they're gonna go. No matter what. The fact that there's even a whiff of controversy about Foreman- having previously steadied Moorer with a good shot - shows you how little people really know about boxing. The average guy gets hit in the mouth by another average guy and he needs to sit down for 10 minutes.

 

Eh!!!.In his prime he was backswinging like a golf player. Nothing about the punches of a young foreman looked effortless

 

There were a few guys who tried to get money out of journalists by saying that they'd been offered money to throw fights Vs Kirk Johnson.

I think the guys name was Smiley, one of them anyways.

It was all BS because Smiley couldn't have beaten Johnson in an eating contest nevermind a fight .

 

It's all bullshit. Guys weren't throwing fights. They were quitting and then telling journalists they were "faking".

This allows journalists to produce lurid copy for schmoes who don't know the difference between quitting to avoid a beating from somebody you could never beat , on one hand, and taking a dive by refusing to try and beat somebody you could beat.




They deliberately obfuscate ",faking" with "throwing"

Lazy yellow journalism

 

Fulilangi Vs Foreman too.....Tony was getting battered so he quit. He didn't "throw the fight".

 

"Fixed ...Tainted"....

Totally different fucking things.

 

Look no further than the very first uppercut he dropped Frazier with. The famous 'Down Goes Frazier" shot. It doesn't get anymore effortless than that punch.

 

There wouldn't be any point to fixing Moorer-Foreman anyway. It's not like people were anticipating some superfight with Foreman involved by 94.

What? Someone said to Moorer: "Take a dive so that George can become the oldest heavyweight champ in history and so your name will always be associated with getting knocked out by a geriatric."

 

I can see why some including my self thought Foreman's ko of Moorer may have looked fixed. It's the effortless way foreman threw the punches. They didn't look particularly devestating as you would expect a ko punch to look. Almost as if he was pushing the punches with 30% power.

Fixing a fight or a guy quitting a fight is not that much better. In both scenarios it would mean that A)the promoter(In this case Foreman's promoter) was in on the fix or B) Foreman's promoter lined up an easy win vs a known quitter/tomato can. Not a good look either way. Not much to defend.

 

Moorer is an asshole

 

Lol, this is hilarious, why haven't you ever mentioned it before?? Surprised though that you wrote critically of Briggs as he's basically the kind of garbage giant hw you seem so fond of (though Briggs could at least fight a bit)

 

He's not flabby enough

 

Nonsense. He start that uppercut from his knees

 

Of course it started from his knees. He was a professional boxer and an olympian, not some mug in a toughman competition who doesn't know how to throw a proper punch.

The type of power you're expecting is totally unrealistic by measure of any world class boxer. Prime Foreman had, relative to other pros, effortless power. The most effortless power among heavyweights, anyway.

In a P4P sense, I don't think he was the most effortless puncher ever. I'd probably give that distinction to Little Red Lopez.

 

Really??? You dont see any reasons why a fix was possible in a fight involving the wildly popular popular Foreman in his last chance at the title???? Like really.

Anyway, as I said, i don't really care about debating this, and i dont even think it was a fix. Just that i wouldn't be terribly surprised if it was the case

 

Young foremen was not at all an effortles puncher, he was always swinging for the fences. Hence wy he had such bad stamina. Old foreman did have effortless power, but thats a whole other story

 

I think it is kind of combination of both. In this clip against Roman, Foreman does throw his shots pretty relaxed (especially the first right hand) but at the same time those relaxed shots are huge, looping punches, if that makes any sense

 

Moorer's an alcoholic. If he took a dive, in his drunkenness, he would have babbled it to somebody by now.

 

Tbh, the only 'evidence' I've ever seen for Moorer taking a dive against Foreman is literally just the way the punch landed. Which is pretty flimsy.

 

When Moorer rolls over and is counted out, there's blood streaming out of his mouth and onto the canvas. He couldn't have faked that part. That let's you know it was damaging shot.

And any conspiracy theorist should also note that right before, Foreman landed an initial right hand which had already visibily stunned Moorer.

 

No fight is going to be fixed to go ten rounds, especially if the opponent is George Foreman. If Moorer was approached and offered a gazillion dollars and the person said he had to take the dive in the 10th, Moorer would instantly say, umm, why not the 5th or 6th?

 

Why so much Canelo hate? Is it because the best current Puerto Rican fighter is a woman?