Better/Greater : Roman Gonzalez or Vasiliy Lomachenko

I think Chocolatito is definitely greater, but I'm having a hard time deciding who is better. I still might be leaning towards Choco, though. What do you guys say ?

 

I'd say Choco for both. At the very least, he's a lot tougher than Loma.

 

That much is for certain, Loma comes up short in comparison to Usyk in that department. I'd say Choco is also better at imposing himself. Who do you think is better when it comes to simply skills ? That's probably more up for grabs.

 

Basically my position, too.

MTF

 

Choco for both. Sorry, but I'm not all of a sudden over the moon because Loma did what he was supposed to do and beat up that bum Bozos.

Now, if Loma can beat Shakur and Tank in the next year... then the question becomes more interesting.

 

I think Choco's skillset was more effective.

Loma's skillset is more flashy, but as we've seen, its easier to beat.

 

Don't go near ESB mate, the Loma fans are on a rampage right now. One dude even said that Loma is the P4P number 1 by a considerable distance.

 

I know. I saw. ESB is a joke.

 

I was in the minority 4 years ago on here saying that Crawford was a better fighter than Loma. At the time people brushed that off as Loma hype was at its peak.

Time has shown that I was right. To me, it was ALWAYS clear that Bud had more substance and versatility than Loma.

 

Loma in both category for me.

 

More interesting?

If he beats Shakur, and especially Tank, he's lightyears beyond Gonzalez

 

Is this including amateur accomplishments?

 

No. For me, amateur accomplishments should stay separate.

 

I don't see it. Estrada alone craps all over anything Loma has done and could possibly do in the future. You could possibly make a case for Choco being greater than Loma for that alone. Add guys like Yaegashi, Viloria, Sosa and Cuadras and the deal is set. Don't even bother mentioning the Haney fight, Gonzalez did it first and better against Rungvisai.

 

I also dont see it. Rigondeaux was much higher p4p than Estrada when Loma beat him. Yeah I knowm the weight (I was one of the few who correctly predicted a mismatch), but I think a good case can be made that estrada was green when Gonzalez beat him, or at least, he wasnt in his prime.

I must also say that I hold Rungsivai in much lower regard than most. The fact that he has wins against both Estrada and Gonzalez, is a proof to me that the division wasnt all cranked up as claimed (Rodriguez pretty much showed what an elite fighter does to Rungsivai)

-Are we're really gonna act liket guys like Russell, Walters, Linares and Martinez are worse (or much worse) than Yaegashi, Viloria, Sosa and Cuadras? I reallt dont see such a gulf in classe between the 2 groups

 

Rankings of certain time periods can be deceiving, since information of the future is missing. I think Estrada has long proven himself as greater fighter than Ringondeaux by leaps and bounds. Who does Rigo have on his resume other than Donaire and Ramos ? Estrada has Gonzalez, Rungvisai, Viloria, Melindo, Segura and Cuadras for starters. I'm having an extremely hard time seeing how even Loma himself is greater than Estrada, to be frank. You can make a case for Estrada having the best resume of any active fighter.

And nah, they're really not. Are Linares' wins over Mitchell, Crolla and Campell better than Viloria's wins over Solis, Segura and Calderon? Is Walter's win over a blown up Donaire enough to rank him over Sosa, who has wins over Viloria, Solis and Segura, and also had a gigantic title reign ? Does Russell have any win that even comes close to Yaegashi's over Sosa ? Roman Martinez was a paper champ, he always lost his titles a bit right after he got them, and he usually got them from C level fighters, he shouldn't even be compared to Cuadras, who only lost to the best. Losing to Bam is not a bad thing in the slightest, the guy is a genuine Pound for Pound talent and seems on the track of being a future Hall of Famer.

 

-A paper champ doesnt beat Salido, nor does he fight him close in the second fight (Martinez definitively lost that one though).
-I'd say Russel win over Ghonzalez was at least comparable than Yaegashi over Sosa.
-Rigondeaux also won easily against Against Agbeko, who was a very good fighter, even though the fight was atrocious.

Anyway, it seems that we have a very different view of this situation, and going by the other replies, it seems like i'm in the minority.

Last thing, are you Terp?

 

Both are great.
But as we all know,…Loma stayed amateur way too long.
A professional amateur,..and probably the best amateur boxer of all time

 

Loma is greater. Say what you want about the second Estrada and the 1st Rung fights, but Chocolatito has losing records vs the 2 best fighters he faced and neither are ATG imo (though Estrada will be if he beats Bam, but he’s losing this big imo). And contrary to Loma, some of his losses were clear cut.

Better it’s also very close, Loma is a bit overrated because of the Matrix hype bullshit but I still think he’d be able to tame Chocolatito (p4p) who’s a bit too predictable

 

I disagree with that last part.

Peak-for-peak in a P4P matchup, I see Choco grinding Loma down.

 

Choco fell on his arse Vs some Thai lady boy

 

I really appreciate Choco and Loma and consider them one of my favorite current fighters but greatness and skill wise I think Choco edges it. A LW version of Choco would have had a much easier time against Salido, Teo, and Haney. Loma’s problem is him letting his biggest fights slip away. He either starts too slowly or chooses not to close the show emphatically and that’s partly due to him being too arrogant for his own good, especially with the skills and athletic ability that he has.

I do think that if Loma were to manage to beat Tank and Shakur then that would change a great deal about him. He’s got the skills to do so but does he have enough left in him to pull it off? Hard to say until he faces either of them.